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Extra Marital Affairs and 'Chastity'

Postby sorabh » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:28 pm

The venus in 12th post has inspired me to begin this new topic - If people could come forward and present birth details of people which have either indulged in extra marital affairs or suffered from them or been involved in many affairs before marriage, then we can test repeated combinations we see in these charts.

I hope this will inspire other people to post new topcis and present charts so that repeated combinations can be tested for other areas. This way we can research and form new conclusions effectively , rather than looking at placements of just one planet

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Postby sorabh » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:05 am

20-06-1982
8.26am , uk, london

This is a chart that belongs to my cousin. He lives in the uk and therefore has been influenced by a more modern lifestyle. If you look at the 5th house it is aspected by 3 benefic planets including venus and moon both of which are in good signs, and mercury who is vargotamma. Mars the lord of the 5th is with the lord of the 7th Saturn. And the 5th lord has moved to the 11th house from the 5fth. Note that the 5th lord mars is in virgo – a sign of chastity. A lot of his affairs have been with girls who were of a chaste nature to begin with.
The 12th lord is with venus who is in its own house and aspects the 5th.
Mars the 5th lord is with the 7th and 8th lord signifying sexual energy. Rahu is in the 12th house which further gives desire related to these matters.
The major events came for him however in the period of rahu-venus where he had a string of many affairs – even with married women.
I feel that for affairs to happen there has to be a strong influence on the 5- 11 axis and some sort of malefic connection between the 12th lord and 7th. I urge members to post more chart.
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Postby Ajaekapada » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:37 am

Here is one for ya Sorabh. DOB: 11/22/1973, TIME: 11:47 am, St. Louis MO. Here is one where I know Venus in the 12th reveals some awesome results along the line of "Clandestine Relationships". LOL. Have fun Sorabh - what is so funny is that her Saturn conj Ketu aspecting Venus conj Rahu defunaltey its effects. on that Venus. Cap rising, Venus aspecting does lighten the Saturn Dasha she is in now. She has had some secret affairs with married men and sees it as a challenge to grab that individual from that relationship. She is very secretive when it comes to relationships and never wants to get into a "serious relationship" or to be commited in a "normal relationship".
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Postby sorabh » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:53 am

lol she sounds like my ideal woman.......unfortunatlely i dont have my astro software with me as im at work so i cant cast her chart - but ill def have a look tonight and let u know my thoughts - thanks for the post bro !
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Postby sorabh » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:26 am

I totally agree with your analysis - i think because rahu represents desire and secret desire , and venus is pleasure - the combination of the two will lead to higher desire or lust. I have tested about 20 charts now with the rahu venus combinations and all seem to be showing the same effects - especially those who are going through their rahu mahadashas in the right ages.

Note be wary when getting recommending a compatible relationship with someone who has venus and rahu closely conjunct or closely aspecting each other (check degrees) - especially in houses 4, 5, 7,8 and 12! Other malefic aspects especially those of mars may confirm the situation [/b]
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Postby leogirl » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:11 pm

Hi,

My saturn-rahu period has just started since 1st August. Someone has told me that I will have numerous affairs during this period. Im single till date. My details are : 1st August 1968, 4.17 p.m, Trichur, Kerala.

Do have a look at my chart.

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Extra Marital Affairs and 'Chastity'

Postby J K Sharma » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:47 pm

Hello,

For numerous affairs or relationships or extra-marital relationships, there are lots of combinations in chart, which need to be minutely observed. Along with these entire combinations one must have a close look on native’s social-customs. What I have observed in reading charts, there are three type of situation came in notice:

1. No Desire for numerous affairs or relationships or extra-marital relationships.
2. Desire numerous affairs or relationships or extra-marital relationships but hesitate to fulfill that desire.
3. Desire and also try to fulfill it.

As per details given by Leogirl, Sagittarius asc. chart, asc. lord Jupiter aspect Lagna with 5th dirsti. Jupiter is also known as filtered planet, who purifies the thoughts.

Kendra bhava have only malefic planets – Rahu and Ketu – indicate low home-pleasure.

Saturn in 5th house (in debilited condition) aspect Moon with 7th dirsti. This combination indicates for either highly sexually-aroused mind or a “Sadhu or Sanyasi”. Ii also indicate for restless mind, negative thoughts too soon.

Venus karka for Love is dumped in 8th house indicate for hidden/unfulfilled desires, though with Sun, Mer and Mars ( a good combination for friend-circle). Venus is not in close conjunction with any of these planets.

As per chart, currently you have saturn-rahu period has just started since 17 Jul 2009 onward. So, as per chart and above analysis, there can be desires or opportunity because of Saturn, but these desires or opportunity seem be unfulfilled as Jupiter may act as border-line to decide between wrong and right. Jupiter seem to stop the native before border-line. Also some time, Jupiter act as a “Curtain” means to hide the Desire for relationships.

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Postby leogirl » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:49 pm

Dear JK

Thanks for yr analysis. My personal experience of the Rahu sub period is that it lets go of caution. And it gives the opportunity for affairs and the desire to fulfil it. Just last week I had a one night stand !! The last time I did something like this was sometime in 1993-94, when I was running my Jupi-Rahu period (it got scandalous as I guess it was my guru-chandal period). After that, there has been a series of relations (all serious ones from my side).
I do have a highly ‘sexually aroused’ mind. Im no sanyasi !! Though I am a spiritual person, I have gone thru the grind to reach this stage. Just when I thought im purified completely, my Sat-Rahu period starts and bang !! I let go of caution and did it with a colleague.
I do believe in certain things that are right or wrong ‘according to me’. For eg. I would never have an affair with someone else’s guy. I wouldn’t be able to comment on whether I would have an extramarital affair though it has been predicted by some astrologers that I will get married in my current Rahu sub period and chances of my betraying my spouse is high. Pehle, shaadi to hone do …!!!
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Postby sorabh » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

..................and again rahu is aspecting venus - i think all of this is supporting the theory that rahu aspecting venus or conjunct venus has tendancies to give extra marital affairs or affairs against the norms of traditionality or extra drive.

Mars in the 8th together with venus will give enormous sexual drive.

From moon saturn becomes deb in the 7th house. This is causing a delay in your marriage - saturn is a slow moving planet - it will slow down marital bliss.
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Postby Ajaekapada » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:11 am

Venus conjunct Rahu does boost the extramarital affairs piece, however several other placements reveal that this conbo needs to be in a house that will affect the person's view/samskaras on "relationships".

The 5th the house of so-called romance, 7th house - house of the partner, the 8th house - house of sex and release, and the 12th house - house of bed pleasures, fantasy and escape.

I know individuals with Venus conj Rahu in 4th or 6th and the realtionships they have are not ones that involve extramarital affairs or any thing strange or different or abnormal. So it seems that the house makes a big impact on how the conjunction plays out but that is astrology.
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Postby rajitha » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:15 am

Sorry to be blatant. But, if you take modern youth, almost everyone has a pre-marital affair or an extra-marital affair from what I hear from the youngsters in India today.

So, how will astrology help here. I do accept that some combinations may make this trait more pronounced than others.
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Postby sorabh » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:21 am

There is some truth in what you say - but extra marital affairs are not so much more than in the past - they are just 'seen' more publicly or heard of more - these things happened in the past also -maybe just as much, but behind closed doors. Society is more open and public these days - thats all
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Postby J K Sharma » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:30 pm

As per Parashar (BPHS) before analyzing any Horoscope, the astrologer must consider the Desh (Country), Kaal (time span) and Pristhiti (conditions- social, customs, religion etc.). Because every Country, Religion and Time-span has own special impacts on the Native’s life-style. It is not mean that an Indian may have less extra-marital affair or foreigner may have more. I have observed that because of Indian social customs, people try to be more cautious in extra-marital or before marriage relationships, also they try to put Curtain on such things. Like the following some combinations in my observation seem to indicate for such relations:
1. Moon + Saturn – Sexual arousal at thought level much high and also spiritualistic.
2. Mars + Venus – More attraction towards material tic and desire for healthy sex.
3. Sun + Mer + Venus – Good at friends-circle and attracts others easily.
4. Rahu or Mars influence causes multiple partners and Hard-core sex.
5. Saturn giving good theoretical knowledge but some how affects particle performance, also pornographic nature.
6. Rahu – more pornographic nature and experiment doing nature.
7. Moon (Being strong) – More partner for pleasure.
8. Moon Being weak) – Mentally/psychologically weak and unable to have enjoyment.

Also, one needs to look on the nature and attitude of the native like Soft or Masculine. All above discussion is only in regard of extra-relations, though if the native’s Asc. or Moon is under benefic planet’s influence then extra-relations chances seem to be less or hidden.

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Postby sorabh » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:36 pm

Dear Sharma Ji

Thank you for your very informative input. I would agree with most of the combinations but as Ajaekapada stated earlier i think its very important to see which house these combinations are occuring in and whether they are repeated in navamsha.

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Postby sunsri » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:12 am

i thought Sun + Mercury + Venus leads to troubled marriages. i know 2 natives who have this and have terrible married life. both are separated from their spouses.
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Postby sorabh » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:56 am

this is why i said i agree with most of sharma ji's combination statements but definately not all. I myself have found that a combination of mercury + venus+ sun makes one quite isolated and a deep thinker - often leading to troubled marriages because of mixed emotions.
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Extra marital affairs

Postby J K Sharma » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:04 pm

Hi Sorabh

I am agree with you that hosue/Bhava position is also very importent in analysing about extra-marital affair. Bhava/house position indicate the nature and possible location of such things. Like in 10th house, indicate in working place, 12th house indicate for 2nd wife or many partners. 5th house indicate many lovers etc.

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Postby nina » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:23 am

Hi Sorabh and others,

Interesting topic!

In the chart of your cousin you said “the 5th lord Mars in Virgo – a sign of chastity”. To respond to that, in my humble opinion, two things come to mind: 1. Virgo is the only sign represented by a human symbol, and being the natural 6th house of the zodiac, one cannot expect Virgo to have an easy deal. I see any sign more for what we must strive towards (if we can) and not (necessarily) for what we have – hence the notion of purity is more the idea of striving for perfection through failings and discontentment rather than perfection/chastity/purity being a given.. 2. Mars is in no way comfortable in Virgo the sign of an enemy (Me); besides in this chart, Mars is having a raw deal on the account of its conjunction with his enemy Saturn AND being conjunct to the 8th house lord. Some relief comes from Jupiter’s impact though and through the benefics’ aspect to the 5th house.
Cancer lagna are meant to have a difficult karma in relationships – this is a general statement, not to be taken literally I hope. The 7th lord is a natural malefic, Saturn is cold and distant planet, Saturn and Moon do not get along, and the 7th lord also owns a dusthana the 8th house - that is why.
In Jaimini the 3rd is regarded as a sexual house, and malefics there damage the Dharma (principles) by the aspect onto the 9th. Also it is not considered good to have the 7th lord in the 3rd making the spouse more sexually extroverted or lustful; while with the 8th lord in the 3rd more than one attachment/marriage is indicated. Of course none of these statements should be taken at face value on their own but they can add up to whatever else the chart shows, as usual. I just wanted to expose some ideas on the 3rd house issue here.
Otherwise I find there’s a lot of emphasis on the 12th house in this chart. And the 6/12 axis of Rahu and Ketu can easily lead to indulgences, extravagances, and major swings in life. Rahu in the 12th wants to experience it all, in all its shades and sexual intrigues is definitely one on the agenda. The 12th is the house of bed pleasures.
Venus in the 11th would make him very "ambitious" in his relationships. The exalted Moon, the Venus in Taurus and the Sun/Rahu conjunction would make him stand out being particularly attractive and manly in the eyes of women.

Here are a few ideas for you:
Charts of celebrities: writer Anais Nin who’s a master of secretive behaviour: she had a long-standing secret affair with Henry Miller, she also had a brief affair with her own father who abandoned her as a child, and as if that wasn’t enough she also managed to be married to two men at the same time, both living on the opposite coast of the country so that it took them forever to find out ; John Kennedy who is known for his many love affairs, the most famous one being with Marilyn Monroe.

Now real life people:

1. -B (male): Oct 2, ’67, 01:10 am, country: Ireland, state: county Dublin, city:Dublin.
Coordinates: 06W15/53N20 Cancer lagna.
Was at the receiving end of it, in Rahu/Rahu and/or Rahu/Jupiter.

2.-S (female): Oct12, ’74, 09:00 am, country: Irel., state: co.Dublin, city: Dublin.
Coordianates: same as above. Libra lagna.
Was having an affair with a guy who was already taken in Mo/Ju.

3.-M (female): May 17, ’77, 08:05am, country: Canada, state: Alberta, city: Edmonton
Coordinates: 113W30/53N33 Gemini lagna.
Has been having an on & off relationship (relationship broken by some long distance separation) with somebody who was already taken.

4-B (female): May 19, ’74, 14:45, country: Germany, state: Baden-Wurttemberg, city: Freiburg.
Coordinates: 07E51/48N00
Has been having affairs with married people and one-night stands of late.

None of the real life people are actually married, so I'm considering affairs to take place when we're talking of committed relationships.

I think it's hard to pin-point combinations that'd definitely work, as I think, there are very often other combinations that can tone down any issue.
For example a monk may do everything to lead a life of celibacy, but if love/relationships do seem to be indicated in the chart, a woman would certainly come into his life at the right moment, but if his chart is strong otherwise for renunciation and sticking to a commitment, then he would be able to not indulge and bypass the temptation, however hard and painful it may be; another monk may not be as lucky with his vows and would have to quit his monastery.
I see potential danger looming more with combinations that promote strong sexual energy - like Malavya yoga and Hamsa yoga. Chamara yoga with Mercury and Venus together in 7th or 10th is not a good yoga for marital felicity and is supposed to make one too indulgent and lustful - although the influence of another benefic on this combination may help eventually. Moon and Jupiter together are not good either in the 7th as they can make one too active sexually.
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Postby sunsri » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:39 am

Nina,

take a look at this chart:

Sep 27, 1971,
18:13 IST(5.30 East of GMT),
12° 32' 0" North, 78° 14' 0" East

Ascendant is Pisces and 7H has Mercury, Sun and Venus.

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Postby nina » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:53 am

Leogirl,

Your chart has a lot of emphasis on the 8th and with the 5th and 7th conjunct with 8th lord and Venus plus the Venus/Mars conjunction which, on its own, is often given bad press, well I guess that's why some astrologer said what they said. I agree with you that Rahu periods lead to some letting go of caution, in whatever field - that's been my observation too. Your chart is not so easy to decipher though: with the exchange between Moon and Venus, Venus is then considered to be in its own sign in the 11th and Moon's the same, 8th lord in 8th. Saturn/Venus opposition then is the 3rd lord of sexual urge aspecting and being aspected by Venus the planet of love. So Saturn dasha activates relationships for you: being in the 5th of romance, aspecting the 7th of relationships and with the Ve/Sa combo. Did you notice that your Rahu is in the nak. of Mercury your 7th lord? which is why Rahu subs or major can trigger relationships. While Jupiter is in the nak. Venus and Venus in the nak. of Mercury. I see Rahu, Venus and Jupiter periods as opportunities for relationships.
The Venus in 8th points towards caution in relationships/intimacy while the Venus in 11th points towards strong ambitions/high standards in relationships - you should get a mix of the two although the Ve in 11 should be the dominant one - what do you think?
Currently Ketu is transiting your 8th house with many planets there, some impact must be felt. 8th is the house of secretive behaviour and scandals - and your natal Ketu is in the nak. of Moon your 8th lord so that your stellium of planets get activated. And since you're in a sub of the axis, the transit has more chances of being noticeable for you.
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Postby J K Sharma » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:10 am

Hi

Along with Extra-marital-affair, now a days, bisexuality and Gay nature also seen in some people. Some are openly known to society, some remain behind the Curtains. I think Rahu is baiscally responsible for such things. Can one firther through some more light astrologically with some chart references?
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Postby Narayan » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:14 am

Hi:

I am also having the same problem....Do not know how to control the mind at times....as it gets wayward especially in sexual thoughts...It is at times only. As I am looking at to be my self, more towards on the spiritual side for self-realization, but this mind is creating havoc at times getting a lots of sexual thoughts. I am not yet married and did not also have any affairs or relationship or nightstands till date...though mind at times is getting into such thoughts. Has anybody got any permanent solution to get the mind towards fully into spiritual side?

It is not fully into spiritual side nor fully into the other part. I am also having lagna lord saturn in 7th conjuncted with Rahu..with saturn looking at 9th placed moon. Venus is also in 10th, but due to Jupiter looking at Venus from cancer, I believe it is wrong and one should not be in the affairs other than husband-wife, but this Saturn and Rahu at times are giving high bangs and they are saying its not wrong...

I am so much into the spiritual side at times, that I am near to realizing myself, but these planet does not make me remain in self. i am not there completely nor in the other part. I am a lot worried because of this. Will it change as the times goes by or it will be the same till the end of life? As I am having the problem from age 10 or so.

So, that's the main issue for me. I do have any other problem that worry me. I am kindly requesting anybody to give me any permanent solution to help my mind focused in God always as it is getting impure at times by Saturn and Rahu.

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Postby rajitha » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:56 am

Narayan,
This is my personal opinion, based on experience.

Mind is very restless and sometimes there are desires in human mind which reach uncontrollable proportions. To proceed further, you need to quench the thirst of the desires. You need to fulfill them.
For instance, if you see lot of people drinking, it is but natural for you to have that desire. Controlling will not help. But, once you taste the wine, you can just say that is all it is and give it up. So, next time, you won't have the inclination to do it.

But, for sexual matters, it is very difficult to do so. One thing which has helped me is to visualize whatever you want to do in your mind. Just picture yourself doing it and enjoying it. That has helped me to control whatever desires I have.
On the contrary, you could get married (sorry don't know if it is currently your plan but just my suggestion :wink: )
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Postby Narayan » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:58 pm

Dear Rajitha:

Thanks for your kind reply. Yes, you are true. That's what I have been doing when I can't control my mind at times. I thought doing it and after it is over, I feel pretty relaxed and soon my mind gets cleared within an hour or so and then I get fully involved in the eternal and be in the eternal enjoyment. This is because of Kethu in Lagna in Aquarius I think so.

But, then again, you know after 3 or 4 days, you know this Rahu gets in back with a bang again. Moreover you know, Sun being the 7th Lord is bad here. Yah, certainly i do have clear plans of getting married you know, but it is just not happening. I am in real search for the last four years or so. The problem is here because of I think Rahu in 7th and 7th Lord Sun in 12th with Mars also in 12th in exaltation. The only relief is that Sun in 12th is aspected by Jupiter from Cancer.

So, do you see I getting married will solve this issue forever as per my horoscope? The problem is Rahu in 7th is also not having real interest in getting married other than for the sake of desire fulfillment. So, I am in real confusion, but at the sametime, I want to remove this problem forever.

Apart from that you know, since I am having Jupiter in Cancer in exalted position, though in 6th from Ascendant, I am getting a lot of almighty's help when I am in distress as Jupiter is looking at the 2nd house as well. So, Jupiter reminds me every now and then, that if you go wayward by having any relations etc...then I wont help you if any distress come. So I am in real dilemma, but this Jupiter is also not showing me a way to come out of this problem forever.

I just wonder how a planetary system plays such havoc with human beings?

Please support me with your valuable suggestions.

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Postby rajitha » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:35 am

Narayan,
I agree Jupiter in 6th is giving your strength to fight against the adversities. But, as you may know, kalatra karaka for males is Venus.
Can you tell me the position of Venus?

Also, mere presence of Rahu in 7th does not mean denial of marriage, There is a thread about Rahu in 7th. My cousin who has Rahu in 7th got a wife late (around 32, which is considered very late in our caste). So, we surely need to look at the chart as a whole.

Also, did you calculate when you have Guru bala in your horoscope. Maybe you currently don't have it and may have to wait for a little while.
Share your details and I will be glad to give my suggestions.

Another suggestion is - Approach Mr. Amarnathji (avam** screen name).
He is an expert in marriage affairs and has helped a lot of people.
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