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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Thu May 31, 2012 2:26 pm

6)
6th lord in janma jataka :-


1) If the graha transits in 2nd nak from janma nak---- expenses on a/c of sickness and may have to sell the property for treatment

2) If it transits in 4th nak from janma nak------shatru kaata is more at home and hence no peace at home ,

3) If it transits in 6th nak from janma nak---- your work will get delayed or spoiled by others ,

4) If it transits in 8th nak from janma nak----- u will be duped by one of your friend and will have to face the debt,

5) If it transits in 1st nak from janma nak---- Your health may go down day by day,

6) If it transits in 9th nak from janma nak---- you may loose money from your house people and from your friends and may become the debtor.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby nani_ravi » Thu May 31, 2012 3:37 pm

Dear sir, i have question here. You only mentioned some nakshatra, but what about the trnasit through other nakshtrra numbers like 11, 12 13 and etc?

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In Janma jataka if the graha is the lord of 1-4-7-10th house:-

a) If it transits in 2-4-6-8th nak from janma nak---will get uttam phala,

b) If it transits in 1-9th nak from janma nak-- success after full efforts,

c) If it transits in 3-5th nak--- efforts in the begining but later u will experience uttam phala,

d) If ir transits in 7th nak-- no shubha phala will take place.

3)

In janma jataka if the graha is the lord of 2nd:-

a) If it transits in 2-4-6-8th nak from janma nak-- u will get property and will have handsome income

b) If it transits in 3rd nak from janma nak--- u will loose every thing what u have earned by ur durbuddhi, bad buddhi.

c) If it transits in 1 or 9 th nak from janma nak--- u will earn handsome from ur own efforts,

d) if it transits in 5th nak from janma nak-- u may loose yr money by hearing others advise,

e) If it transits in 7th from janma --- u may loose money and property.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:21 pm

by nani_ravi » 01 Jun 2012, 07:07

Dear sir, i have question here. You only mentioned some nakshatra, but what about the trnasit through other nakshtrra numbers like 11, 12 13 and etc?

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Dear Sir,

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How to find out the nakshatra will be told once the main matter is completed , till then just go through what i have written )



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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:35 pm

7)
In janma jataka if the 8th lord is in :-


a) If the 8th lord is in 2nd from janma nak------may loose the assets by helping others,

b) If the graha in 4th from janma nak------------no nemmadi ( peace ) after the death of a person in a family,

c) If in 6th nak from janma ---every efforts becomes useless and may have to face court cases,

d) If in 8th nak from janma nak----others may utilise ur money and u dont have any money,

e) If in 1st from janma nak ---by your own action u may loose every thing and have to face criticism from others,

f) If in 9th from janma nak -----some body may dupe u and loose every thing,

g) If in 3rd from janma nak---u will put efforts to get the money which will come to u as compensation,

h) If in 5th nak from janma nak----May loose money from theft or dushtas,

i) If in 7th from janma nak--- U will recieve the sudden huge money after the death of a close relative .
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:43 pm

8)
If the 12th lord in janma jataka is in :"-

a) if the above graha is in 2-4-6-8th from janma nak-----u may loose all your savings,

b) if in 1-9th nak from janma nak------by your own action u may loose evrything,

c) if in 3-5-7 th nak from janma nak-----u will get huge money secrete money or money from secrete business /dealings.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:58 pm

Now let us see which nakshatra and how to find out by giving an example of RAVI:-

Before that let us see which is shubha and ashubha lagna for RAVI:-

For Mesha---5th lord--shubha
Vrishabha---4th lord--shubha
Mithuna---3rd lord --asubha,
Karka---2nd lord ---shubha,
simha--1st lord --shubha,
Kanya--12th lord ---alpa shubha,
Tula --11th lord --ashubha,
Vrischika --10th lord --shubha,
Dhanu--9th lord ---shubha,
Makara---8th lord ---alpa shubha,
Kumba ---7th lord--shubha,
Meena ---11th lord ---ashubha
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:08 pm

For Tula Lagna ---Ravi is papa graha

If the janma nak is PUSHYA

For Pushya janma nak-------- In gochar if the Ravi in is in 2-4-6-8-1-9th nak--- he will bring shubha phala.
That means , when he transits in
Aslesha,
hubba,( poorva phalguni)
hastha,
swathi,
vishaka,

anuradha,
jyesta,
poorvashada,
shravana,
shathabisha,
poorvabhadra,

revathi
he will give shubha phala.

Thats why Ravis sanchar nakshatra should be Shubha from Chandra.


Next ------ lets see how to find out the Nakshatra ?
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:28 pm

Divide the 27 nakshatras by 3 groups. That means each group consists of 9 grahas .
Now let us start from Janma nakshatra-- Pushya, the example mentioned above.( For Tula lagna Ravi )

1st Set
1.Pushya
2.Aslesha.
3.Magha.
4.hubba.
5.Uttara.
6.Hastha.
7.Chitta.
8.swathi.
9.Vishaka.

2nd Set

1.Anuradha.
2.Jyesta.
3.Moola.
4.Poorvashada.
5.Uttarashada.
6.Shravana.
7.Dhanishta.
8.Sathbisha.
9.Poorvabhadra.

3rd Set

1.Uttarabhadra
2.Revathi
3.Ashwini
4.Bharani.
5.Kritika.
6.Rohini.
7.Mrigashira.
8.Ardra.
9.Punarvasu.

Refer 2-06-12 thread-------
For Pushya janma nak-------- In gochar, if the Ravi is in 2-4-6-8-1-9th nak--- he will bring shubha phala.


Also for this kindly refer the point No 5----11th lord gochar phala ( 1-06-12) Ravi is the lord of 11th for Tula lagna.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:46 pm

Here one vishesh vichar:-

1. If the Budha, Guru, Shukra is vakri--- Uttama phala

2. Aspect of these grahas------Uttama phala

3.In case the papa graha--Kuja /Shani being the yogakaraka, their drishti also bring ---Uttama phala

4. If Shani/ Kuja is vakri and also yogakaraka, their drishti will bring little difference in shubha phala . But they wont bring nashta.

5. If kuja /Shani is papa graha to janma jataka and their Vakra drishti will bring bad phala.

6.Rahu/Ketu will bring shubha phala when they are associated with yogakaraka graha.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:04 pm

Like that,one should predict Gochar phala for each graha and this is the easiest method.

Thus the graha shows different phala while transitting over each nakshatra.

Therefore one should predict the Gochar phala of each graha as per above paddathi at least. The graha will show its poorna phala during its Dasha kaal or bukthi kaal.

Only after seeing this, one can predict the grahas phala during the perticular month or perticular date. or one can predict the phala between this period to this period ( between period what is the phala)

In predicting the phala as per the above system will bring fame and name to jyothishi and also bring respect to Jyothishya Shastra.

Without going through sookshma vichars, saying the phala just like that will not help neither to Jyothishi nor to Jyothishya fraternity, infact may bring bad name to Shastra as well

Therefore one should give due respect to this shastra and say the phala after atleast little effort. This is what --Manthreshwars order ( author of Phala deepika )
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:04 pm

Dear Mr P. Mahesh,

2) I have some doubt about the basic foundation of KP sytem...
It depends on the rule that (N-1)th house of Nth house signifies denial of N.
Whereas as per definitions of characterestics of houses.. each of 12 houses have their own independent features and not depend/connected to their next house...So, how correct is the poposition of KP that (N-1) represents complete denial of N?

For example, 2,6,10 are for employmet as 2 is income, 6-service and 10 is work visible in public..
As per KP, 1,5,9 are complete denial of the above.. whereas 1,5,9 are deemed to be auspicious houses
over and above...as per definition, House 1 is no way deals with income and earning, so as 5th and 9th.

Another example, 2,5,11 are for child birth... 1,4,10 are denial as child birth..
again, as per definition.. 1,4,10 do not deal with matters of child birth at all.


Generally in Jyothish shastra, there are many vidhi-vidhana in phala bagha.
Each Acharyas described jyothish vichar in their own style and paddathi but never deviated from the fundamental principle of jyothish shastra.

Jyothish shatras Pithamaha described this shastra in various amsha kundalis. ( divisional charts ). He shown us one , one vichar in each amsha kundali.

Like that, Jaimini Maharshi in his siddhantha, shown us how to say the phala only from Navamsha Kundali.

Many mahaniyas shown us how to say the phala from both Rashi and Navamsha kundali.

Like that many Nadi granthas also shown us how to say the phala from Nakshatra rashi and Navamsha kundali.

But saying the phala without navamsha kundali is not proper. It is like seeing the object only from one eye. How visible is, only u can say that.

For this I will explain with an example later only if time permits me .
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:53 am

No graha would give the phala independently or by its own.

Graha by its sanchar nakshatradipathis sthana and through its karakatwa and bava karakatwa, rashi karakatwa phala combined give its phala. Hope u will agree to this .

Therefore , one should not say only the Bava phala of a graha. This will give bad name to maharshis who wrote this shastra and to those great mahan Acharyas who analysed various jatakas and gave us the creme of jyothish.

To jyothish sadaka, jyothish is that vidya , it will give the srtrength by way of jyothish roopa.
Here sadakas mind set and his way of analysing the logic is very-very important.

For this-- sanyam, patience , steady progress and analytical mind and Gurus adarsha will become hepful. Overall a jyothishi should have the vaak siddhi. If this to be achieved he should be a satsangi. He should have mind or bavana to see every one with love and affection. He should have the utmost belief with his aradhya devatha.


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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby p.mahesh » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:17 am

I have some doubt about the basic foundation of KP sytem...
It depends on the rule that (N-1)th house of Nth house signifies denial of N.
Whereas as per definitions of characterestics of houses.. each of 12 houses have their own independent features and not depend/connected to their next house...So, how correct is the poposition of KP that (N-1) represents complete denial of N?

For example, 2,6,10 are for employmet as 2 is income, 6-service and 10 is work visible in public..
As per KP, 1,5,9 are complete denial of the above.. whereas 1,5,9 are deemed to be auspicious houses
over and above...as per definition, House 1 is no way deals with income and earning, so as 5th and 9th.


Dear Sri Rao garu,

1)So, going by KP method, some one's period (MD/AD) is of Asc-lord (1st lord) or say 2nd lord is 1st, can we say that period of 1st lord is not favourable for earning income?

Similarly, is the 9th lord period or 10th lord is 9th, is not favourable for professional matters?

2) Will transit planets represent identical to what they mean in a birth-chart? When time permits, please demonstrate how to find exact day of an event using both birth chart and all transit planets (including SUN and Moon).

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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby krishnagopal1968 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:19 am

Dear Rao sir,

I very much like and agree to the following words of yours.

To jyothish sadaka, jyothish is that vidya , it will give the srtrength by way of jyothish roopa.
Here sadakas mind set and his way of analysing the logic is very-very important.


What about students whose mind set is pessimistic? How is their jyotish bhavishya if they continue like this?

And you have also stated

For this-- sanyam, patience , steady progress and analytical mind and Gurus adarsha will become hepful.

He should have mind or bavana to see every one with love and affection.

Now the last line has much insightful. Here in this forum it is vice-versa!
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:42 am

krishnagopal1968 wrote:Dear Rao sir,

I very much like and agree to the following words of yours.

To jyothish sadaka, jyothish is that vidya , it will give the srtrength by way of jyothish roopa.
Here sadakas mind set and his way of analysing the logic is very-very important.


What about students whose mind set is pessimistic? How is their jyotish bhavishya if they continue like this?

And you have also stated

For this-- sanyam, patience , steady progress and analytical mind and Gurus adarsha will become hepful.

He should have mind or bavana to see every one with love and affection.

Now the last line has much insightful. Here in this forum it is vice-versa!




Dear Krishnagopal Sir.

U r absolutely right. I think i must continue the Gochar Phala !!!!!


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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby krishnagopal1968 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:30 am

Thanks for the reply rao sir, and please continue.

As i believe good gurus's karma benefit shishyas, let it prevail and not vice-versa.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:41 pm

girl-not married why.JPG


2-7-11
------- ==brings nashta as per nadi how ?( For 2-7-11 sthana, 1-6-10 sthana will bring nashta, how ? )
1-6-10

As per Jataka parijatha 5-7th houses are considered for Vivah vichar.
For delay in marriage there are many reasons that we have to take into consideration while analysing a Jataka.


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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby explorings » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:58 pm

Chatvarim:

I have replied via PM to your query.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:09 pm

Reasons for delay in marriage :-

1) In previous janma , if there is a dosha of dividing or seperating a family for own benefit, then there will be a delay in marriage.( 3-Ds = Difference- Distance- Divorce ) Even if married, there may not be happiness.

2) If there is delay in marriage, then there should be the prabhava of Kuja Dosha. Marriage may take place between 28 to 36 years.

3) When the Shani prabhava is more. That means between 36 years to 45 years marriage may take place . Here also there may not manah- shanthi jeevana ( no peace of mind ) .

4)When Rahu dosha is more. Meaning between 46 to 54 years marriage may take place . But there may not no nemmadi in vivah jeevana ( no satisfaction, always tension )

5) If parents are poor, hence unable to conduct marriage of their childrens during marriage age. Meaning- marriage may take place after 36 years of age .

6) When she could not get a suitable vara. The girl will get nirasha in her jeevana and by the time she feels she wants to marry , the age of marriage might have been passed.

7) The girl gets disappointed after seeing so many boys, she might have passed 36 yrs by the time she gets a divorcee.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:23 pm

Now let us see what yogas are there in this jataka:-

Gaja-Keasri yoga :-----Guru-Chandra paraswar kendra.

Sashaka yoga:---- Shani in swa- kshetra and in lagna.

Ruchaka yoga :---- Kuja in uchha, makara rashi in lagna.

Dharma-Karmadipathi yoga :---- Dharma- Karmadipathi Budha -Shukra in lagna ---Rajayoga.( this itself a seperate chapter, we shall see later how to analyse D/K yoga )

Lagna-Dashamadipathi Shani-Shukra in lagna-- Rajyoga.

Yoga karaka Shukra in lagna ---Rajayoga

Neecha-banga rajayoga-- Guru is neecha in lagna . The rashiadipathi of Guru is in lagna

Thus there are many Raja yogas , still this girl is not married why ?
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:44 pm

Shall we see the reason -Why?

1) Sapthamadipathi Chandra in 3-12 th lord neecha Guru nakshatra.

Since mano- karaka Chandra in 3rs lord nak--- this girl has not shown much interest in marriage vochar.

Since Chandra in 12th lord nak-- this girl has not shown any interest towords shayana-sukh ( 12th house is the house where couples sleep together )

2) Rahu in sapthama bava-- indicates prathi bandaka ( against/opposite ) sthana, against to marriage vichar.

He is in 6-9th lord Budhas nakshatra.

6th bava is against sukh vichar

9th bava indicates daivika vichar , hence it wont gave the way for vivah- vichar.

3) Here Shani, even though he is 1-2nd lord but he is in 8th lord Ravi nakshatra. Therefore Shani will make delay in marriage.

And Shanis nakshatradipathi Ravi is in vyaya to 2nd house- the house of Kutumba ( 12th to 2nd )

With this reasons, this jataka did not agree to the boy who is a divorcee.( Just for the sake of this, she lost the good opportunity )

4) Vivah karaka Shukra --grihayoga karaka. so she some times says " I wants to marry "
This shukra is in dashama Chandra nakshatra. Chandra is balaheena , so Chandra is helpless to make marriage.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:24 pm

Dear readers the following analysation is very important. Kindly go through carefully:-

1) 7th house aspected by Ravi is in dashama Chandra nakshatra.
( Chandra do no have any shubha drishti nor any shubha graha near by )

2) 7th house aspected by Shukra is in dashama Chandra nakshatra----pl refer the above phala for Chandra.

3) 7th house aspected by Guru is in dashama Chandra nakshatra---kindly refer the above phala for Chandra

4) 7th house aspected by Shani is in Lagna Ravi nakshatra ( Ravi being the ashtamadipathi. Ashtama --prathi bandaka sthana-- the house of obstacles.

5) 7th house aspected by Budha is in Lagna- Kuja nakshatra. Kuja in ashtama lord nak.

6) Above all the most important is , Virakthi karaka KETU having associated with all these grahas is in makara rashi/Lagna rashi nakshatra-- Dhanishta. ( makara rashi is having 3 nak as u all knew it, They are Uttarshada-shravana-Dhanishta )

Ketu made this girl to opt for Virakthi jeevana.


Therefore to

2-7-11
-------= bavas will bring nashta. In otherwords, to 2-7-11 bava, 1-6-10 bava will bring nashta or Vythyaya
1-6-10


PS:---- Kindly analyse Vivah vichar only through Nakshatra siddantha or stellar paddathi.

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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:18 am

Lagna:- After birth what we got is this Shareera

Anthar ( inside ) sukh and bahya ( outside ) sukh
Anthar sukh-----Panchama ,trikona
Bahya sukh-----chathurtha, Kendra
We experience papa-punya phala as per poorvajanmas papa -punya
Those who came to our family , for them it is a new place/sthana. For eg:- for wife, lagna is new place to her. It indicates new environment to wife
That is why for 2nd house lagna is vyaya sthana to kutumba.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:30 am

4th sthana:---- Shareera we got it from our mother

5th sthana :----Through poorva punya phala, getting santhana/ children from wife --- puthra sthana.

7th sthana:--- joining the wife sthana, paraswar preethi-vishwas sthana. Bahya sukh sthana, dampathya sukh sthana.

9th sthana:----Pithr-sthana. We get this janma from our father. Through this prabhava we later became father. 5th to 5th sthana. Fathers previous janma sthana. We experience our fathers karma phala.

10th sthana :----living together with father , mother, wife , childrens. Earning papa- punya phala during our jeevana and get ourselves into karma bandhana, our karma sthana. How we carry our jeevana through which karma. Sapthamas sukh sthana.

11th sthana :---- Nithya ( daily ) jeevanas karma phala. Ishtartha sthana. Phala sthana of our karma. Sapthamas santhana sthana.
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Re: Gochar vishesh vichar

Postby P.Srinivas. Rao » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:47 pm

Many people come to jyothishi along with copy of their jataka or their near and dear ones and ask jyothishi ---- how is the present period to this girl ? when Guru bala will come , we thought of arrainging a marriage this year, whether we can try? like that many question is asked .

Every one is having their own problems and they approach jyothishi for parihar. They give their horoscope to jyothishi to see whether any good thing will happen in near by days. So jyothishi should not say the phala till he ascertains the trueness / correctness of the jataka.

Even today many people have the hand written jataka. Many people have the computorised jataka but the ayanamsha is not N.C.Lahiri

Whoever has written the jataka or may be a vidvamsa, one should say the phala after ascertaining whether the jataka is written properly or not.

Each higher caste have their own Panchanga. Some people follow the Chaandra maana paddathi and many follow Soorya maana paddathi. Thus there are variation with respect to caluculation of Tithis, lagna , Sishta dasha , vakra gathi, ruju gathi, nakshatra veda, astha and uday kaal, and also nakshatra calculation.


Next--- what happens when there is incomplete jataka. How the phala will differ in such jataka
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