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Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby manimal42 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:49 pm

Hi there, how would you interpret a chart differently between the Ascendant and the Moon lagna? For example, if someone is an Aries rising with Venus in the 10th in Capricorn. How would that be different than someone whose moon was in Aries and Venus was in the 10th in Capricorn? I know the Ascendant is supposed to be the body and the moon the mind but I am confused.

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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:06 pm

Hi
It is more or less considering DEHI and DEHA.
Both put together is the individual.
No way moon is less important from the Lagna.
You have to read the chart from both and logically come to a conclusion before predicting .
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby manimal42 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:47 pm

what is DEHI AND DEHA?
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:21 pm

hi
these are sanskrit words.
true translation is difficult.
But you can treat DEHI as the Soul and DEHA as your Body
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby krishnagopal1968 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:43 am

Dear Manimal,

Ascendent gets top priority than Moon because moon stays in a sign for 2.5 days, whereas lagna changes every 1.5-2 hours. In the example you have quoted,considered from moon ,if venus in 10th house from aries, it will be the same for all the persons in 2.5 days time frame, whereas from lagna this position in 10th would change in hours.

It is for this reason that all divisional charts are calculated from ascendent position and not from moon.

If you take many example charts, you will come to know this yourself.

Ofcourse final picture emerges from Moon lagna and Dasa lagna (Now this is more important!)
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby manimal42 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:16 am

Thanks for both replies. It is interesting how subramanianp feels the moon is more important and krishnagopal feels ascendant is more priority. When I do more charts myself I will be able to tell.

subramianp, so is "Dehi" the same as "Atma"?

And again, so what would the difference between if I had venus in my tenth from ascendant instead of venus in tenth from moon, all factors being the same considered.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby krishnagopal1968 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:56 pm

Thanks too manimal. Just try this chart, Famous personality, Amitab Bachchan. In his Saturn dasa only, he became famous. Now saturn is in 4th house from lagna and 8th house from moon. Pl. deduce the answer yourself.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:56 am

Hi manimal42
manimal42 wrote: It is interesting how subramanianp feels the moon is more important and krishnagopal feels ascendant is more priority


I didnt say that Moon is more important.
If lagna is weak then Moon takes presidence.
Chapter 12 sloka3 of BPHS says. There will not be bodily health, if Lagna, or Moon be aspected by, or conjunct with a malefic, being devoid of a benefics Aspect.
From this you can understand Moon is no way less important to Lagna.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:13 am

krishnagopal1968 wrote:Thanks too manimal. Just try this chart, Famous personality, Amitab Bachchan. In his Saturn dasa only, he became famous. Now saturn is in 4th house from lagna and 8th house from moon. Pl. deduce the answer yourself.


Dear krishnagopal1968
please permit me to add somthing on this chart.
From lagna the lagna lord of Mr Bachan is in a Kendra.Same chart If from Moon its rasi lord Venus is in the 12th.
Further please see the BHAVA Bala You can see Lagna is having more strength than the Moon occupied Bhava (ie:the 9th).
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby krishnagopal1968 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:03 am

Dear subramaniyanp,

My point was more towards Saturn's dasa and testing the classic's results thro example charts.

I have read in a book " Divisional charts" by Mr Goyal that in 1hour time approximately 350 births take place!
All cannot have the same fate.

Moon's position is vital too as it indicates mind and subtle health.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby manimal42 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:33 pm

Thanks again for more replies. For the above chart, Saturn in the 4th house is a Kendra as well as the 4th house rules the public's mind because its karaka is the moon right?
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:58 pm

krishnagopal1968 wrote:Dear subramaniyanp,

My point was more towards Saturn's dasa and testing the classic's results thro example charts.

I have read in a book " Divisional charts" by Mr Goyal that in 1hour time approximately 350 births take place!
All cannot have the same fate.

Moon's position is vital too as it indicates mind and subtle health.


Dear krishnagopal1968
I was trying to explain why Results from Lagna is predominant over results from Moon.
Nothing else. :| :| :|
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby pbanerjee » Tue May 22, 2012 5:06 pm

subramanianp wrote:
Dear krishnagopal1968
please permit me to add somthing on this chart.
From lagna the lagna lord of Mr Bachan is in a Kendra.Same chart If from Moon its rasi lord Venus is in the 12th.
Further please see the BHAVA Bala You can see Lagna is having more strength than the Moon occupied Bhava (ie:the 9th).


Dear Subramanian ji,

This is very interesting point.
However, my lagna (capricorn) ruler saturn is in 6th house AND moon sign (scorpio) ruler mars is also in 6th house (which is it's own rashi, aries) when counted from moon and thereby aspecting moon lagna, which is it's own house too. Also, I was born next morning after new moon so sun occupies the same rashi as moon. Also, I have jupiter on my lagna (hence debilitated but with directional strength and neech bahnga due to mars position in aries).

So, lagna is capri with debilated Jupiter placed in first house and lord saturn in 6th house.
Moon rashi scorpio has sun and moon and it's lord mars is placed in 6th house when counted from moon.
Also, I have mars vargottam in ALL the varga or divisional charts that we commonly use : D-2, D-3, D-4, D-5, D-7, D-9, D-19, D-11, D-12, D-16, D-24, D-30.
There are no other aspects on either lagna or moon rashi. How would you decide which one is more important of the two in this case : lagna or moon rashi? Does anyone have any comments on the fact that both lords are malefics and situated in respective 6th houses?

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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Tue May 29, 2012 2:17 am

Please give your Date OB , Time OB and Place OB.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby sekharn » Tue May 29, 2012 9:18 am

Respected Subranianp ji...

What could be the effect if the lagna and the moon are in 6/8 axis... in that case which lagna to be preferred and in my case which lagna is stronger & important to consider... In SAV chart my moon lagna has got only 18 points... does it indicate any health issues in future... I shall be obliged if you could shed some light on this note as per my chart...

DOB: 23-4-1971, 3pm, Chittoor, Andhra Pradesh

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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby sankargv » Wed May 30, 2012 3:38 am

Hi,
I have an interesting combination here, thula rasa, thula lagna, with saturn, moon, venus in ascendant
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:49 am

Dear sekharn
It is like this.
Your Lagna lord Sun is in perfect UCHA (9 to 10 degree in Mesh )and also have a shubha rasi amsakam.
Moon is with Venus (Venus is the 8th lord from Moon ).
Your laga is more strong than the Moon .
Your chart is going to operate from laga .
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby Ghrishneswar » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:27 am

Mr. Subramanian,

27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM , Lucknow
Both from Lagna and Moon the lord of lagna is in kenda in 4H.
From Asc. Jupiter is in Pisces on own rashi.
From Moon the the lord is Sun in 4H again with Me a first rate dhanakarka and in sign if friend Mars.
Bhava bala of Asc and place where Moon is placed is very close. But Jupiter being in own sign wins.
So my take would be Asc is driving the chart.

What do you think?
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby sekharn » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:26 am

Dear Subramanianp...

Thanks for analysing my chart and for the explanation about the important lagna in my chart...

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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:41 am

Dear Ghrishneswar
You are correct.Lagna is more strong than the Moon.
1. Lagna lord Jup is in own Rasi.But Moon rasi lord Sun is having an ISHTA PHALA of 9.5 only and just emerged out of its Neecha rasi(ie: TULA ).
2.Lagna is aspected by the 5th lord Mars who is in vargothama also. (full aspect)
3.5th lord from Moon is in a dusthana (the 8th).
Overall lagna get more weight.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby Ghrishneswar » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:22 pm

Thanks.
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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby shilpa » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:20 pm

manimal42 wrote:Hi there, how would you interpret a chart differently between the Ascendant and the Moon lagna? For example, if someone is an Aries rising with Venus in the 10th in Capricorn. How would that be different than someone whose moon was in Aries and Venus was in the 10th in Capricorn? I know the Ascendant is supposed to be the body and the moon the mind but I am confused.

Thank you!


Dear Manimal,
Primarily ascendant is "the lagna"
Moon is one of the many "special lagnas"....used for secondary or special analysis.
Where would you use chandra lagna analysis ?
1) in general daily / weekly rashi predictions.....that you see in news papers.....making forecast rather generic about a groupbof people.
2) secondary analysis when asendant does not corelate very well with known facts........such as in case of exremely emotional /psychic personalities.
3) transit analysis to determine the emotional/spiritual impact of planet moving through the zodiac.
4) D60 analysis when Moon is the primary lagna staying in a Rasi for about an hour.
5) Analysing emotional / happiness side of a person.......or mother's chart....although with Jhora......D charts are more accurate for such analysis these days.

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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby Patriot » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:57 pm

Dear All,

What if both Lagna & Moon Lagna have Same astavargha score which lagna is stronger. But Jupiter & mars are aspecting lagna.

For Moon lagna venus is aspecting. so which is more stronger.

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Re: Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally

Postby subramanianp » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:46 am

Dear Patriot
Ashtavarga is useful while analyzing CHARA BHALA (Transit result forecast).
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