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Post by Dinesh.Srivastava » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:33 am

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Not only this Stuti is the ultimate remedy for Saturn but also it gives great Insight in the Kaarak-Taatwa of Saturn
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Post by chitra16 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:22 am

So, will that be good?
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Post by Dinesh.Srivastava » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:59 am

@ chitra

SATURN is a very major planet , It is the Kaaraka of Profession among other things . the key to understand the transit of saturn is actually 3 fold , 2nd is the house of resources and 12th that of loss so the planets in 2 and 12th from the transiting sign plays a very significant role in assesing the result of transit , equally imp is the transition over natal planets and one must not forget that saturn gives you the result of karma so D60 has to be looked to check whether the transit will give result of good karma or bad .... ohh I almost forgot .... I had decided not to write on any technical issues on LOVA ... so please disregard my transgression today .... wo kya hai na ki I am in an elated sate of mind for the past 3 weeks ... so i believe this little mistake of mine will be forgotton .... ENJOYMADI :)
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Post by rajji » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:20 pm

Greetings Members,
How will the transit be for those having sasa yoga??
Actually I am cancer lagna and have sasa yoga with saturn in libra in the 4th house I also have a line of Saturns Influence coming upon me throughFirst Saturn Return-then Saturn Mahadasa starts, Including this Transit!
Im a bit skeptical whether to enjoy or dread this roller coaster ride of mine! :shock:
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Post by Dinesh.Srivastava » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:47 pm

Finally Finally Finally , The Lord has Returned to his Seat of Justice .... and This Time For Good .
NOW ..... ...... LET - THE - GAME - BEGIN :wink:
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Post by Dinesh.Srivastava » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:47 pm

CHALTE - CHALTE
Rabba Ve Rabba Ve ..... ..... Arz Karaan
Mainu Bhi ..... ..... Asmani Fitrat De

Vadda Mai Hoke Bhi .... ..... Jhukiyan Rava
Dola Ve Dola Ve ..... ..... Himmat De

Insaani Rishta Nibhaavaan Mein
Geyraarnu Apna Banavaan Main

Jo Bhi Devey ..... ...... Laakh Sar Mathey
Mein Jindagaaveen Saree Zindagani
Main Teri Raza Dey Vich Hoya Raazi ..... ..... Teri Meherbaani

Kisi Daa Bhi Haq Mein Naa Khaanvaan
Apni Rah Chalde Jaavaan

Rabba Ve Rabba Ve ..... ..... Arz Karaan
Mainu Bhi ..... ..... Asmani Fitrat De

Vadda Mai Hoke Bhi .... ..... Jhukiyan Rava
Dola Ve Dola Ve ..... ..... Himmat De

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Post by Saindhavi » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:39 pm

Dineshji,

It looks like you are a Libra or Capricorn ascendant! :)

I don't want to look like a spoilsport, but Saturn is going to be in Sandhi till 19th of August and after that in conjunction with enemy Mars, who is malefic for Libra.

Saturn is actually traversing a long Sandhi phase through Virgo-Libra.

Hence, we'll have to wait till September end when Mars leaves Libra and Saturn is properly exalted and free from affliction.

Well, I'm also eagerly waiting for October to begin, because exalted Saturn is good for me too, but before that we have to deal with this Mars-Saturn transit. :evil:
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Re: CELEBRATING - THE - TRANSIT - 0F - SATURN - IN LIBRA

Post by Dinesh.Srivastava » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:45 am

Dear ,

Transits should never be seen in Isolation , The most Important factor to be considered is the transition of the outer planets over the natal planets not only in the Rashi chart but also in the divisional charts cause the same transit in conjunction with the dasha system can raise u up in one aspect of life but can also bring u down in other so one must be very cautious before pronouncing a blanket statement .

If you would have notice , in this thread all I have said is that , the time of Justice has come ... good or bad only the Lord will decide ... not only for me but for everyone else too .... although it is a different matter that for me the Lord has always been very supportive and the destroyer of my enemies .... .. and for me the same cycle has begun once again this time too .... anyways at the end of the day its all about one's karma in the court of the Lord .....

and believe me , you cant be a spoilsport for me , I know that much astrology myself to know what I am talking about :D

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Post by shilpa » Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:11 am

Mars may be spoiling the full power of an exalted shanidev transiting throuhg Libra that he entered again yesterday.....neverthless an exalted shani, even with Mars......... and not retro anymore is much much better than retro shani ( and he was also with Mars for the last several weeks)

while he was in Virgo.....I noticed on a number of charts/natives...shanidev brought to a slow crawl, if not a grinding halt matters signified by that house and also the ones he was aspecting.......

If shanidev is positive for the native.......while in Virgo, he halted the matters of that hoouse...... making one correct mistakes, reveal hidden facts...and almost force towards honesty......an intense period of introspection and correction....with that part of life coming to a near stand still.....

and if he was malefic for the chart...........he may have been causing havoc

Shanidev mopving forward and ion good mood is good for all.....
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Post by milredr » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:42 pm

while he was in Virgo.....I noticed on a number of charts/natives...shanidev brought to a slow crawl, if not a grinding halt matters signified by that house and also the ones he was aspecting.......
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Post by Saindhavi » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:59 pm

Shilpaji,

Thanks for detailing some of the differences between Saturn malefic and benefic in a chart.

As I have written earlier, my Saturn being combust, I see the effect of Saturn quite late and in lesser degree. (I do hope exalted Saturn gives me effect sooner than later). :twisted:

For me, it means that Saturn is no longer aspecting Rahu now - and I saw the effect of Virgo Saturn in my life only after Rahu moved into Scorpio i.e., with Saturn's aspect strengthening Rahu, I saw more the effect of Rahu with Saturn in Virgo. As long as Rahu was in Sagittarius, Virgo Saturn didn't mean much to me.

So hopefully with Saturn in Libra Sandhi now, Rahu may not be as powerful for me now as it has been since it moved into Scorpio.

Dineshji,

You are right about other points, but as much as I know astrology, any planet gives effect only after it emerges out of Sandhi.

Rahu is the only exception to this rule, who can give effect even at 0 degree. In fact, it becomes more troublesome at 0 degree.

I know everyone will disagree with me on this point, but honestly, I have never seen Saturn delivering justice.

My experience has been that all the dishonest, unjust, corrupt people I have seen have very good Saturn and Rahu in their chart and Saturn-Rahu combination takes them to great heights through the path of dishonesty, corruption, unjust and illegal means.

Without exception, the charts of all such people I have seen, who have risen to great heights through unjust and illegal means, have a benefic Saturn and many of them are actually ruled by Saturn.

Saturn helps such people to flourish in the world through unjust, illegal, corrupt means by trampling over others.

I have also seen that such people have a very hard heart - they are usually unsympathetic to others and they usually flourish in the world.

I have also seen many people who follow the path of justice and righteousness, but such people mostly suffer in the world and they usually have a bad Saturn.

Of course, there is a small category of unjust people who suffer and they do have a malefic Saturn, but they are often not ruled by Saturn and such people are in small number as compared to the above 2 categories I have described.

So, I don't have much faith in this theory of Saturn being a planet of justice.

How can a friend of Rahu deliver justice?

How can a planet delivering justice be a friend of Rahu?

How can he make Rahu strong?

What justice is there in making Rahu strong?

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Post by swamykool » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:32 pm

Hi Saindhavi,

That Shani is the deliverer of justice is written in the Shastras. It is given in many books but esp in Padma Puran. But Shani is Shanaishchara - slow mover. He works slowly but surely. And justice is delivered in due time.

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Post by basab14 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:13 pm

I don't know why there is so much worry being there about Mars being with Saturn as it is a issue of a few months only. After that will come the bigger issue when Rahu will join Saturn, which is for 1.5 years. I don't think Rahu with Saturn will be good, even though according to some it will not be bad.
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Post by elipsis » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:19 pm

Neither Saturn nor Rahu delivers injustice and I don't think they help crooks flourish. Injustice happened to them, it's not that they are out to curse good people. I believe Saturn is the greatest helper of all the planets and it's sad to see how people welcome him :(
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Post by Dinesh.Srivastava » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:31 pm

@ Saindhavi
About "sandhi" ...

what you are witnessing right now is "RASHI - SANDHI" not "NAKSHATRA - SANDHI" ,Saturn is in Chitra Nakshatra {23°20' Kanya - 6°40' Tula }, and there is a marked difference among the two .

Allow me to explain through an analogy ......

NAKSHATRA - SANDHI : This is equivalent to the rebirth of a soul , so it has to go through all the phases of the Life again from embryo , through Infant to adulthood and finally to old age . so obviously it would be week in the beginning/end being dependant on others . Basically what is happening here is that the element , the underlying temperament of the Planet is changing and that too drastically and it would require some grace period to adjust.

However ,

RASHI - SANDHI : {Without being in Nakshatra Sandhi at the same Time } :This is akin to a person changing the Job , joining the new company , so now while the underlying temperament remain the same, now he / she is assigned with new responsibilities so the focus , the direction changes , a bit of anxiety would be there in this transition as well but the strength is not all lost . and for a planet like Saturn who takes everything very slowly even this anxiety does not cause much weakness.

I am sure you Know about "12 - JYOTIR - ADITYAS" , that is the key to unlock the RASHI - SANDHI - EFFECT
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Post by basab14 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:52 pm

I would also like to make another point that people with Libra lagna should not be excited with this transit of Saturn before seeing what his Moon sign is. For people with Moon in Pisces, Cancer, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, this transit of Saturn won't be that favourable. It will give more negative results than positive. And I have also heard many astrologers say this that Saturn in lagna is not a good transit, so I am not sure why so much celebration among Libra people with this Saturn transit.

I have Libra ascendant, and when Saturn transited to Libra last year, I started having intense stress and unhappiness immediately, and it eased up immediately after Saturn left Libra. I had not understood it initially, but then, I realized that my Moon being in Cancer, it was making a dhaiya for me, which is a negative transit of Saturn, and gives effect like sade-sathi. Saturn in Virgo was quite good for me, even though it is in the 12th house from my lagna as it was in the 3rd house from my Moon, which is a good transit for Saturn. So one should always check the transit from the lagna and from the Moon before coming to any conclusion as to how the the effect of it would be like.
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Post by Saindhavi » Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:57 am

Dineshji,

Many thanks for explaining the difference between Rashi-Sandhi and Nakshatra-Sandhi. You have explained it very clearly. 8)

Swamycoolji,

I know it is written in the texts - you and I are in the same discipline, though in different specialisations. (I don't know about your UGC results, but I had qualified the JRF several years ago :) ).

But I don't accept something just because it is written in the texts. It has to be validated from the practical evidences. Besides, we know how and why many things came to be written in many ancient historical texts - I hope you were taught all this. (This is not the forum for that kind of discussion, but just to elaborate).

Yellow,

About Mars being there only for a few months - Sometimes, only a few moments are enough for a malefic to cause havoc. One and a half months is a long time.

This is especially true for a chart having planets in strong position, but eventually all charts do get the effect in lesser or greater measure.

We just got several accounts from Virgo Lagna people about what they faced during short conjunction of Mars-Saturn in Virgo. Of course, Saturn is not retrograde now and will be exalted in Libra, but still, there is need to be cautious.

About Saturn in Lagna - you are right that one should see both Lagna and Moon chart, but Lagna chart also has effect.

Like you, I too used to think till recently that Saturn in Lagna is not good even if exalted. But some people in this forum argued against it and being a positive person, I'd like to hear experiences of Libra Lagna people about this exalted Saturn transit.

I am open to accept exalted Saturn in Lagna as positive if I hear enough accounts from people.

Since you are Libra ascendant, I'd like to get your account on the Saturn-Mars transit thread where you had written earlier.

For all who think Saturn is a great helper -

Yes, of course, when it is benefic in a chart it is a great helper. There can be no 2 opinions about it.

The question is whether it selectively helps only those who are righteous and just, or if it helps all in whose charts it is benefic, regardless of their righteous or unrighteous character.


My observation is that it is usually benefic in those people's charts who are not righteous and they usually flourish in the world. Their passage to rise is helped by a benefic Saturn.

In many cases, a benefic Saturn gives them an unrighteous, selfish character.

On the other hand, righteous people usually have a bad Saturn in their charts and they are the ones who suffer in the world.

They suffer precisely because they believe in being good to others.


Such people are not many, who are not righteous, have a bad Saturn and who suffer in the world.

This is my realistic observation of the world.

But if you want to look at it religiously, what's the meaning of a progressively growing Kali Age (Kali Yuga), if Saturn delivers justice after every 30 years and keeps on delivering justice from Libra for 2 and 1/2 years?

Isn't my realistic observation more in line with this?
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Post by elipsis » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:32 am

Righteous or not, it is not for us to decide. You have to understand the psyche of the planets, their past history to understand what they will do to you. It would be unwise to generalize that everyone who does mischief and flourishes has a benefic Saturn, that would be insulting the planet. In my personal experience, Saturn has lifted people (good and bad) out of miseries, balanced the economies and punished those who deserved it and they are ones who feel victimized for reasons they do not fully understand, the purpose of saturn is to make them understand misery, isolate them from the society and all channels of help. This way he is not punishing like we think but rather making people understand his true nature and he rewards those who come out of it with flying colors without cursing him. This is why he dwells where there are miseries,beggars, old and abandoned people and things which youth generally considers as a burden and filth - their immaturity speaks for itself, he has to teach them a lesson, make them understand how it feels.
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Post by Saindhavi » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:12 am

I am yet to see a person living life unjustly getting punished by Saturn. They usually do have benefic Saturn - often helped by Rahu.

If you like, you can observe people's charts from this perspective.

But anyway, let's not argue unnecessarily. We can have our opinions as we desire.
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Post by basab14 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:22 am

Saindhavi ji,

You have got me really scared now. :cry: I thought all this time that Saturn-Rahu was the main issue as it would be there for 1.5 years, but now this 1.5 month issue has to be tackled with first, and you are saying it is not going to be easy for people with Libra lagna. :cry: I agree with you that for misfortune to come in a person's life it only takes a moment, and 1.5 months is a long time. :cry: Hope nothing bad happens to anyone with Libra lagna. :|

if Saturn does good in lagna, that's very good. Do you remember the threads where the point on why it is good in lagna was discussed? I would like to go through them if you can post the links for them here. I will definitely write on your thread on Saturn transit if I find some change in my life in this current transit of Saturn.
Besides, we know how and why many things came to be written in many ancient historical texts - I hope you were taught all this. (This is not the forum for that kind of discussion, but just to elaborate).
I am really interested in knowing about this. Would you please tell me what you exactly meant here. You can send me a pm and tell me if you don't want to write here as these days no posts are being allowed, which doesn't have an astrological content.

I read your observation on Saturn. It is said to be the lord of justice, and it allowing and actually favouring injustice is something incredible, to say the least, but as you say, you have observed many charts, and your conclusion is based on that, one has to believe it: as one can't argue over a fact! But why do you think it is so? What can be the reason, from a philosophical perspective, for it?
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Post by basab14 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:32 am

Saindhavi ji,

I just now remembered that my school friend, who has been going through some really, really hard time the last 1 month or so has Virgo lagna. It's just too much! His chart had gone out of my mind completely, but now I remembered, his lagna is Virgo, and Saturn-Mars in it caused quite a mess for him. He is yet to get out of it, though. In terrible stress he is.
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Post by krishnagopal1968 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:44 am

Elipsis Ji,

In my view, Saturn does not help people who are much into their self elevation. For ex. for Leo personalities, it dampens their egos :)

But Saturn will ultimately humble the natives irrespective of benefic or malefic. Yes many politicians etc may get success becoz of Saturn, as it will reward them for their hard work but at the same time push them into deep despair on some other account.

And we all make both good and bad actions. Saturn notes both! That is why it is said it is the Judge like Yama.

No one is innocent or honest in this world :lol: except a very few enlightened beings.

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Post by elipsis » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:59 am

Dear KG,

Very succinct viewpoints, I would like to believe that is true. But many questions remain unanswered; astrologers tend to bite the dust every time when they try to interpret Jupiter and Saturn. Still, there isn't so much excitement when Jupiter gets exalted, Saturn has a special place in astrology no doubt about it- he creates so much apprehension and doubt in people which is enough to lead a disciplined life, that itself is enough to change personalities. :D

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Post by Saindhavi » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:01 pm

Everyone faces ups and downs in life, regardless of being good or bad in character. So, we can't say those who suffer do so because of their misdeeds - those who commit much less misdeeds suffer more. That's how this world is oriented.

I have seen very good, honest, kind people suffering very much and I have seen many bad people rising in life and their sufferings are much less than that of the good ones. Many of them don't get punished and keep on doing well because their Saturn-Rahu combination is good and no one can catch them.

Perhaps this theory has been devised to make people contented despite all the wrongs being done in the society.

Yellow,

I'll have to look for those threads. I'll send the link to you and I'll think of some books you can read on Historical texts.

Saturn-Rahu in Libra should be good for those in whose chart Libra is in a good house. For example, for Libra Lagna people Rahu-Ketu axis in Libra-Aries will be very benefic. Rahu is a friend of Libra Lagna. Combining it with exalted Saturn it should be very benefic. - that is if exalted Saturn in Lagna is good. It will help the growth of the Libra Lagna.

Of course, the situation of Saturn-Rahu in the natal charts has to be considered in order to calculate full effect of this conjunction.

But for those in whose charts Libra is in a negative house it will be problematic - e.g., for Pisces, Scorpio and Leo. Saturn-Rahu are also enemies of these Lagnas.

As for Mars-Saturn transit in Virgo-Libra, lighting til oil diya facing West and reciting Hanuman Chalisa should help.
Havan Manuals -

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12791&p=124553#p124488

hymns -

1 http://www.vignanam.org/

2 http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11446&start=75#p93038

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