The link between karma and the planets

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Post by anupam1968 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:54 am

[quote]still we can get merged into the supreme if we do all good deeds but unable to fulfill the said desire or we have to take birth again and fulfill them in the next birth. [/quote]

This depends upon the level of force. In other word if the energy of materialistic desire will be stronger than the desire of being freed from this mortal world in that case the stronger will win. For example you can see lots of great saints who remained celibate for realising the final truth. They became successful in curbing this basic human instinct because the other desire of freeing from this world was much stronger. Therefore the stronger one won.

However, sometimes we run away from this world due to getting continuous failures. This kind of escapism can never ever free anyone simply because deep in the unconscious mind the unfulfilled desires are there. In this case as soon as you will tread upon the path of spirituality this nature may start throwing materialistic things in your path to test you whether you are really honest or just an escapist.

Last but not the least sometimes this nature literally drags us by our neck to come upon the path of spirituality. Of course this pattern is somewhat rare but still it happens sometimes. In this pattern nature wants us to be prudent and open up our eyes and then fulfill our ambitions so that we may not fall again as in the past. People who generally contact me or are in my close contact belong to this karmic pattern.

Precisely speaking this nature has so many faces that is why it is difficult to understand what she really wants? So, in this case only godly guidance can come to our rescue.
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Post by anupam1968 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:13 pm

Mahesh Ji,

He will do everything whatever you have written. That is only I can say very precisely. He has given me some evidences as well that he can do them all but of course on subtle level just to make me confirm. Like as he said to me that I need not to meditate because everything will happen to me according to his wish rather by meditating. And I must say he is right. I have not been meditating in common human terms since almost 5 years but still things are moving forward as per his dictates. He told me that he would free even the meanest of the creatures of this universe and in order to confirm it he took so many persons in a state of something like Samadhi who are storehouse of so many vices like bad lanugage, women, wine almost everything whatever you can imagine.

According to my experience this god has not any kind of inhibitions which are generally related with divine figures. He deals according to the nature of person instead of behaving according to set rules that define god according to human perception. But there are some spiritual experiences which are not allowed to share that is why I am just giving hints. He can speed up the incidents by reprojecting them in the ether. Like he projected something in the night and that happened on the next day. The incident was not small but a very big one and it became leading headlines of news papers. But what was that I may find it difficult to share.

Changes will be on very wide scale and will include everything. This all will start all of a sudden. I told about 2012 but be sure if he wants it can happen much before that because he surprises me many a time by his time frame. Sometimes there is delay and on the other the things happen in much advance. Once the flow starts I don't think it will take more than ten years to do what he wants to do.

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Post by p.mahesh » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:48 pm

Anupamji,

It is very interesting. Rest is future.


Thanks for sharing the information.


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Post by cjappu » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:58 pm

Thanks a lot for the reply.
I have one more question.
How can a person leave his ego completely. What I mean to ask is can a person become really stoic to the surroundings/retorts we face? Where do we draw a line between ego and self respect?
[b][color=blue]2In this pattern nature wants us to be prudent and open up our eyes and then fulfill our ambitions so that we may not fall again as in the past. [/b][/color]
How do we know that this person is strong enough to ward off all temptations? Is desire for success is also 100% materialistic pursuit or it could be to proove people wrong who retorts you.
If ever you have the divine will pls let me know where I stand today and how much toil has to be done to reach the supreme.
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Post by p.mahesh » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:21 pm

Anupamji,

Thanks for sharing the information.

It is very interesting. Since these incidents will be in our times,
and He will appear on earth, hopefully, we will be able to see
Him Physically. Rest is future


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Post by anupam1968 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:31 pm

[quote]What I mean to ask is can a person become really stoic to the surroundings/retorts we face? Where do we draw a line between ego and self respect?[/quote]

Everyone's way is different so never accept anything in crude general terms. For example the path of Budha and Christ was different but on the contrary Krishna did lots of violence. The previous two taught the theory of non-violence and enduring everything in the name of God and the other one taught to fight for a dutiful cause.

Same applies to everybody. Go inside and think why you want to react and why you do not want to react? If you are not reacting because there are some apprehensions inside be sure you have to learn to react. There is no second option left because there is fear inside and you have to root it out by believing in God. If there is no fear and it is your habit to react to every Tom and Hardy then you have to learn control. Simply because over reaction is the definciency of your soul and now you have to learn the lesson of patience.

Buddha and Christ both were fearless so the theory of non-violence was justifiable according to the need of time. For example when Buddha took birth vedic dharma had been corrupted to a large extent and giving sacrificing of innocent animals was in vogue. No Shudra was allowed to hear Vedas or visiting to temples. Lots of violence was there so according to the need of an hour Buddha taught the theory of non violence. Same was done by Christ.

But did Rama taught the theory of non-reaction? Did Parshurama, Krishna advocated the same? No because it was not in accordance with Yuga Dharma. Same applies to individual. Some have to learn how to react and some are here to cultivate patience due to their over reactive nature.
Vivekananda also preached to react because the men have become coward under the British rule. When you are coward inside but outside you are trying to show that you are stoic then of course it is sheer hypocrisy instead of individual dharma in the name of spirituality.

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Post by Narayan » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:32 pm

Dear Anupamji:

"He will do everything whatever you have written. That is only I can say very precisely. He has given me some evidences as well that he can do them all but of course on subtle level just to make me confirm."

Were you talking about Sathya Sai Baba in Puttaparthi?

Om Sai Ram

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Post by anupam1968 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:17 am

[quote]Were you talking about Sathya Sai Baba in Puttaparthi? [/quote]

Narayan ji,

No, I am not talking about anybody from this earth. When I say 'He' or 'Him' it simply means the 'God' instead of any guru known or unknown.

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Post by p.mahesh » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:33 am

Anupamji and Narayanji,

I guess from what Anupamji describes, God will any way appear
on earth physically. But, at the right moment, suddenly He may get inspired (some thing like enter or awaken) in some one of His choice
and also takes some followers. But in whom this happens may not
be known till that moment. IS THIS RIGHT?

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Post by cjappu » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:34 am

Anupamji,
Thanks a lot for the explanation. Your explanation gave me very clear picture and direction too. Thanks
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Post by rajitha » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:54 am

Anupamji,
Looks like you missed my question about Lord Venkateswara.
Could you please answer it ?

Thanks.

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Post by Narayan » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:33 am

Dear Anupamji:

It sounds very strange to me. In fact, very very strange to me. Can't understand the "yet" to appear God?? Bhagavata says about Kalki only, but that will happen at the end of Kalpa only is what Bhagavata says. I mean Kaliyuga is to be of 4,35,000 human years of which only near to 5000 years is over. Still, an amazing whopping years are present ahead. We are only in the first pada of Kali yuga.

So, you are saying that God will be coming down to earth, that also in India? If so, when is your intution saying it will happen? It is going to happen in 2012? Anupamji, are you pinpointing "Baba" as a Guru only? Does he not serve this mankind universally? So if Baba is not God, do you think that just human persons can just talk and be practical about pure love? Nobody can do things which Baba does and Baba is expecting nothing in favor. He has helped human kind a lot which the others Gurus have not done.

Om Sai Ram

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Post by anupam1968 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:36 pm

[quote]He may get inspired (some thing like enter or awaken) in some one of His choice [/quote]

Mahesh Ji,

I would say you are more than right. That is what will happen exactly instead of waiting for him to take birth like a child and then grow.
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Post by anupam1968 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:42 pm

Rajita Ji,

I am unable to comment anything upon Lord Venkateswara. For me no kalki avtar may come as we are imagining. But that is all according to my own personal experience so if anyone may ask me any substantial proof I have none.

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Post by anupam1968 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:56 pm

[quote]are you pinpointing "Baba" as a Guru only?[/quote]

Narayan Ji,

Sorry, I can't comment upon this.

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Post by Narayan » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:30 am

Maheshji:

"But, at the right moment, suddenly He may get inspired (some thing like enter or awaken) in some one of His choice and also takes some followers".

Please kindly understand "He never takes any followers nor he is interested in anyone following him." But he is here only for the poor souls like all of us who are trapped in the world of Samsara dont knowing where to swim. It can be called "It is actually we follow him, rather than he following you." He always gives right steps towards right direction to reach the ultimate goal of human life, that's all. Moreover, he takes a form just to restructure rightness and dharma.

When you are ardently calling upon him with true bhakti and devotion, he is answering through your prayers and he confirms your belief and stands by you, that's all. "It does not mean he takes followers."

This is what even Lord Krishna does when he is about to start back his journey to Vaikunta after leaving his mortal body once his purpose is over here in this earth. Then, Uddhava, an ardent and a great great devotee of Lord Krishna, starts crying that he cannot live with him and he cannot go alone to Vaikunta. It is then the Lord himself adores his true bhakti towards him and consoles him and also gives the "Tatvopadesha" in Bhagvatham of 11th Adhyayam. The world, its nature, and so on....

Om Sai Ram

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Post by p.mahesh » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:06 pm

Narayan Ji,

I did not mean that He needs followers. It is obvious that only
(good people) follow Him.

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Post by Caliber » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:45 am

Dear All learned members,

I love what Anupamji says.

In my humble opinion, God will not be born as a human. God is neither he nor she. I do believe God took Human avatar's earlier. Now in this era of Technology, God does not have time to start life from child hood.

When I see a ocean wave, I do see God in it. For me a TSunami is God.

If you see the pattern in the past year or so, lot of bad is happenning. It could be ELNino effects. No rains in Iraq, floods in Vietnam, a village submerged in Taiwan due to Typhoon. Several earth quakes in Indonesia. Drought in India, Floods in Andhra. Millions of forest acreage burnt in California.

I do not know if what Mayan preached about Dec 21, 2012 will happen or not, but several changes are taking place now. I do not believe World will end on Dec 21, 2012.

God bless you all.. Srini

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Post by moksha line » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:58 pm

anupam1968 wrote:It is easy to say that our karma decides the placement of the planets in our horoscope but who is deciding the karma?? At this point we again stuck in the vicious circle. As we know karma emanates from gunas and these gunas are being affected continuously by planets to prod us to do a specific karma only to retribute us further on. It is all so enigmatic and seem to be a quite confused hypothecation.

Okay somebody may say that our first karma made all the hell broke loose but the question remains who decided the first karma of mine naturally planets because I have had under their influence all the time as soon as I came upon this earth. This is complete predestination without any space for my will at all. At this stage it is a harsh truth that karma or destiny nothing is in my hands. The wheel goes on on its own. That was why our sages were able to forsee the future for coming thousands of years.

So, till the time we do not try to go beyond the planets we end up to nothing. So, rather discussing why planets are here in a specific position it will be more prudent to think about our very innate nature which is different individual to individual. Once we understand this innate nature then only we can understand the mystery of karma and destiny and these planets. Before that everything is fixed like an immoveable rock. So, in nutshell planets are deciding karmas and karmas are again deciding the position of planets in every horoscope. This is vicious circle nothing else.

This is so true!

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Post by moksha line » Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:27 am

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rajitha wrote:My SIL and my wife are a big enigma to me. It is very obvious that God meant something bad to my wife. Both of them born in the same house - one very beautiful, fortunate, wealthy, lucky, etc. She has Jupiter in her 2nd house(Sagittarius) and is running Jupiter dasha !!!!!
As expected, she is minting money. Whatever she touches becomes gold.

But, she is always scheming and trying to bring down my wife in every possible way, etc. Even her parents favour her more compared to my wife.

My wife is exactly opposite. She has to fight and struggle for every simple thing but she is very kind and innocent and never even dreams of anything wrong to anyone. She has KSD in her horoscope.

So, assuming my SIL had good karma from last life and my wife had bad karma, it is tough to believe this since I presume that the basic character of a person carries over from one life to another.

Another example is my mother who struggled all her life for everything and believe me and I am not biased, she has not done anything wrong but helped everyone in her life.

And, where does the present karma take over?

Kindly clear my confusion on this.
Rajitha,

I think I have an answer to your confusion. Just by seeing the character traits of your wife and your SIL it can be said who is a more advanced soul, i.e., who has more good karmas to her credit. Someone with a good nature, like your wife's, must be a more advanced soul than someone with a nature like your SIL's. Now, the point is, why is your wife suffering more than your SIL? Well, the reason is, your wife has chosen to suffer more in this life so as to wipe out her negative karmas faster, i.e., suffer more than is due to her, as her goal is attaining moksha. Your SIL on the other hand being a less advanced soul has no hurry in wiping out more bad karmas than what is due to her in this life as her goal is enjoying the luxuries that her good karmas of her previous life has to offer and not attaining moksha. It's not my own theory, but something I have read in a book that sometimes advanced souls bring more suffering on themselves than it's due, just to speed up their cycle of birth and rebirth, in order to get moksha early. The same applies to your mother's case: she is more interested in speeding up the cycle of her birth and rebirth and attaining moksha than enjoying this present life.
So, suffering more also means clearing more of one's negative karmas? Can you explain more on this?

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Post by moksha line » Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:38 am

anupam1968 wrote:Rajita Ji,

I used to be highly violent and arrogant in my previous births but today I am not but of course deep inside some traces are still there. I used to be highly expressive and vocal but today I am just opposite so character changes birth by birth according to circumstances and experiences but basics never change they just change their external manifestation. Like a butcher of past births becomes surgeon when he evolutes. Today I am highly sensitive about self respect and do not endure a single derogatary remarks towards me but I have also learned to respect everybody also no matter what is his age. So, basics are there but they have refined. My root of violence inspired me today to stand for a weak that is what I have done so many times.

In nutshell, if I used to be very ruthless in my past births I change when I confront the same cruelity towards me. This change stops me to do bad karma again and then the retribution of past gone ages started coming to me in fragments because they are already ripe and want to be exhausted to clear them off completely for giving me a fresh start again to move on in more advanced direction.

I gave the example of Vimalananda here how he was being tortured mentally by his foster daughter terribly but he adopted the measure of non reaction because according to him every karma follows you for seven births. Since seven births he was murdering this lady and now in this birth the same pattern was repeating to force him to murder her again. He knew that it was his seventh birth relates with this karmic pattern and he has to break it anyhow unless he has to die at her hands for coming 7 births again. Someone has to break this pattern unless wheel goes on moving unabatedly. So, a murderer has become Aghori in this birth and was dealing with wine,non-vegetarian food and woman to get realisation. So, you see basic never changes. His all characteristics took him on the path of tantra when he evoluted.

So, today if I am being spiritual it does not mean that I was a sadhu or very good man in all of my past births. I could be womaniser or mere drunkard but when the time goes by I may refine this pattern and will come on tantra path. Then all of my remaining karmas will start exhausting themselves as they used to be in the past but in the past I exhausted them and recollect them again due to my ignorance. Today I am just clearing them off instead of collecting them again. That is the big difference.

If you want to read some good books to understand what really spirituality is I may suggest you two books. Conversations with God by Neale part 1 and second one is Aghora which is nothing but the autobiography of an Aghori with a pseudo name Vimalananda. It is written by an American, Robert svoboda, who was just like a disciple of this man. Robert svoboda is a very well known personality in USA.
I am getting the books to read :-)

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Post by moksha line » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:09 am

anupam1968 wrote:Mahesh Ji,

I cant tell you the when this yuga will end. I am just joining all the threads what that relative of mine got in his readings and what I got 4 years back. Both are echoing same things. So, there must be some meaning attached to it. I got the information in 2007 that soon the world start going to change after 5 years now Rajita ji told me during that time that 2012 is a world wide phenomena. Frankly speaking I did not know anything about this 2012 phenomena in 2007 it was only after Rajita ji told me that I searched it on the net and found startling informations. So, there was nothing in my sub conscious region when I got the information about 2012. It also confirms that there is something ahead which we don't know.

As far as future is concerned if you can understand the past why not future births can be foretold. But who will confirm that just like past births cannot be confirmed. As I told many a time here that I predicted future just by seeing the past so future births also can be predicted. But the future of this birth can be validated but not the future births because we have nothing to demonstrate. If I tell someone by seeing his karmas that he has no next birth how I can prove that. It will be a futile exercise. So, it is better to experiement with the future of this present birth and be sure that in the same way future births can also be predicted.
My question is this - Can we tell whether this is the last birth of a person by looking at a person's horoscope?

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Post by krishnapb » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:58 am

@moksha line; book: "Past Life Astrology: use your Birthchart to understand your Karma" by JUDY HALL " throughs life on this

If you want to know abt Vimalanada u can read Law of Karma by Robert Svoboda

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Post by krishnapb » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:58 am

@moksha line; book: "Past Life Astrology: use your Birthchart to understand your Karma" by JUDY HALL " throughs life on this

If you want to know abt Vimalanada u can read Law of Karma by Robert Svoboda

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