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Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Tue May 05, 2015 6:01 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Shrikanth » Wed May 06, 2015 4:20 am

Dear SNR,

Well - There are 12 potential lagna's in the zodiac.
'Adversely placed' Lagna doesn't mean a negative Lagna or certain lagnas inherently being good or bad etc.,

Adversely placed Lagna would mean too many malefic influences without any balancing positive influence on the Lagna.
Similarly when Lagnidhipathi is more associated with malefics, badly placed in the chart, underlying karakas being weak - the chart would tend to lose strength and viability. The foundations of the chart do get shaken up.

I'm not convinced that it would nullify the effects of all the 12 bhavas. Yes significant aspects of the native's life could be affected by badly placed lagnadhipathi and weak lagna - but not all 12 bhavas will be completely undermined.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by vyvasvatha manu » Wed May 06, 2015 8:08 am

a weak lagnaadhipa means the person has a weak body/lower intelligence.
this is the first thing that can be inferred.
tell me how such a person would be able to make good use of awesome resources shown by other bhaavas if the person cant handle himself primarily ?

i know people will counter with examples showing lagnaadhipa debilated, but the person doin really well in life. but in those cases either there will be niichabhanga/niichabhanga type effect AND/OR lagnaadhipa would be very strong in navaasmha eventhough debilitated or otherwise badly placed in raashi.


when the person quoted above, PSRao, when he says weak lagnaadhipa or a nirbala lagnaadhipa, he means there are no saving graces for the lagnaadhipa in both raashi and navaamsha.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Wed May 06, 2015 11:36 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by vyvasvatha manu » Wed May 06, 2015 1:58 pm

yes in case your lagna is scorpio, lagnaadhipa is really weak, and since you're so sure about your intelligence and body strength, and simultaneously if error in time of birth can be ruled out, my above statement maybe be totally wrong or partially wrong.

i'd appreciate it if anyone corrected me in that case :)

having said that if you look at descriptions of yogas like kalpadhruma(paarijaatha) yoga, lagna lord, his dispositor, latter's raashi and navaamsha dispositor-all of these need to be in own/exaltation signs or in kendra/kona.

[[you donot have this yoga, i'm jus considering the description of the yoga to reckon lagnaadhipa's strength]]

when you consider these planets' placements in your raashi and navaamsha, shani's exaltation while joining venus in navaamsha becomes the final saviour of mars through moon(raashi dispositor).
i wouldn totally right away say scorpio lagna is doomed in this case.

also if u look at it, ashtakavarga for d1 lagna is above 30, which reaffirms its strength.

and in shashtiamsha, mars is strong in his own sign, which shows there is full freedom for mars as far as kaarmic debt is concerned, to fully exert as much influence as is available to him in raashi and navaamsha.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Wed May 06, 2015 9:35 pm

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by rathore » Thu May 07, 2015 6:05 am

SNR ji, thanks for inviting on to this thread.

Loosely speaking this Lagna and Lagnadipathi being weak can mar the native but there are several types of strengths (shadbal as well as non shadbal) for planets and each type of strength has peculiar results tied to them. These results may or may not be end results only. A chart with strong Sun Moon & Venus (esp. the Sun & Moon) is generally a strong chart and other yogas will give better results even if Lagna and Lagna lord are weak. This can mean the native gets fame, money etc. without much effort. Sun, Moon and Venus are the strongest planets and its hard to take away shadbal strength from them with malefic intervention unlike Jupiter and Mercury, in that order and so just based on Lagna and Lagna lord's weakness we should not make a full conclusion.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 7:42 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by vyvasvatha manu » Thu May 07, 2015 8:03 am

@snr,
you're welcome :)

and you can go through my answer about navaamsha activation which i gave on another thread,
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... =6&t=29246

as for shashtiamsha, please dont tell me not to consider it, i know that planets dont change signs in shashtiamsha as quickly as you've imagined.
d60 lagna changes sign every two minutes or so.
so fixing lagna is tough, but generally, planets' strength in shashtiamsha vis-a-vis their sign placement can definitely be considered. there other factors based on sign placements of planets in shashtiamsha which can still be considered even if shashtiamsha lagna is not fixed. so please don't advise when you dont have the full picture :) thank you.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 8:15 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 9:34 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by vyvasvatha manu » Thu May 07, 2015 9:45 am

it's ok snr :)

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 9:49 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by rathore » Thu May 07, 2015 11:36 am

SNR ji,

Everyone gets one Lagna lord just like one Sun, one Moon & all other planets.

And just like all planets, lagna too falls in various divisions. So if Leo Lagna falls in Cancer Navamsa and both Sun & Moon are strong, the yogas in the native's chart will function better than a native with the same configuration but with weak luminaries.

So technically speaking concepts like D9 Lagna lord or D60 Lagna lord are not from classical texts (some English translations may be confusing but looking at the Sanskrit verse will more or less make it clear that it is just talking about the Amsa the Lagna falls in with usage of words like Lagnamsa etc.). But since the Lagna must fall in some division (e.g. Navamsa, Drekkana etc.) so the lord of those Navamsas, Drekkanas etc. have a say (but it is not the Lagna lord of D9, D60 etc.)

The 25% (6 points) weightage of D1 in Parashari pertains to D1's place in Vimsopaka bala Shadvarga context. In Saptavarga Vimsopaka bala context D1 gets 5 points.

For e.g. if Moon is in own Rashi in D1, it gets 6 points (considering Shadvarga). Now if its in own Navamsa too, 5 more points. Own Drekkana 4 more. Own Hora 2 more. Own Dwadasamsa 1 more. Total so far: 18 out of 20. I haven't considered Trimsamsa, yet it is extremely strong in Vimsopka bala Shadvarga context. And that is function of the BPHS weightage in question. Some mistake this weightage to mean (by jumping context) that all Divisionals are independent.

With this wrong assumption comes further made-up concepts like Navamsa activating at certain age & that you "become" your navamsa. I guess that means one's parents become the child's Dwadasmsa once the child becomes a parent himself. And one must become their Drekkana when interacting with siblings. :)

Don't worry much about Karakamsa etc. Those are very broad strokes & I am doubtful with their current usage. For e.g. there is disagreement about 12th to Karakamsa to be considered in Rashi or Navamsa. But to the verse you are pointing at, yes it is supposed to give final bliss (Ketu in Aries/Dhanu in 12th to Karakamsa). Of course if the signs / planets involved don't have the required strength then it may not come to pass.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 12:51 pm

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by tylorechandra » Thu May 07, 2015 7:00 pm

A weak Lagna and Lagna lord does affect the fortunes of all the 12 houses. The effect is felt more if the connected events are directly related to the physical body – e.g a healthy body can help in sports, entertainment, fight against diseases and recovery from illness. Since a healthy mind is generally associated with a healthy body, the effects are felt at the mental level as well.

Intelligence is a different matter. It does not depend only on a good lagna and lagnadipathi. It depends more on Mercury (learn new things fast, quick analysis), Moon (ability to focus on a particular learning activity and aiding the analysis part, also involved with retention, memory and recall), Jupiter (ability to use the knowledge correctly). Other planets contributing to intelligence would be Ketu (ability to analyse the fine print and detail – a necessity for researchers) and Mars (logical thinking).

In effect, a person can be weak in health but strong in some aspects of intelligence. The person could be fortunate in money matters without being healthy. He/She may have a good life partner without himself having a strong Lagna / Lagnadipathi. And the list goes on---

Thus none should conclude that a bad Lagna / Lagnadipathi will be bad for all events. If, however, the Lagna / Lagnadipathi is also good, the person will be in a position to enjoy the activities and take part in them much better. One example which immediately comes to mind is Gemini Lagna. Lagna lord is Mercury and irrespective of how strongly he is placed, the native will generally be unhappy at work. This is because Mercury debilitates in the 10th house of profession.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by rathore » Thu May 07, 2015 8:12 pm

Sorry own Dwadasamsa will give 2 points and not 1.
There are two verses: Ketu in Aries/Dhanu in 12th to Karakamsa and the one you mentioned. Both relate to final bliss.

Hope it helped.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 9:50 pm

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by tylorechandra » Thu May 07, 2015 10:25 pm

Two things:

1. Your lagna lord may have weakness. Your Lagna, per se, has no major weakness except aspects by SAturn and Ketu.
2. You are less than 20 yrs of age and have a long way ahead. You need to face other dasas as well - Mars in Saturn nakshatra and Lagna itself in Jyeshta Nakshatra belonging to Mercury. The next dasa itself is of Rahu who is in the nakshatra of Moon, a badhaka.

Dont jump to conclusions about tob basing on simply your observation so far. Wait for a few more years. Not much activity has happened till now.

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Thu May 07, 2015 10:48 pm

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by tylorechandra » Thu May 07, 2015 11:35 pm

I would still request you to wait for a few years more. You may be in the stage of education at present and the 5th house would be activated. Although it does not aspect the 5th house directly, Mars is definitely contributing to the 5th house via Saturn, its star lord. The 5th house belongs to Jupiter who is a friend of the lagnadipathi and the contribution is more likely to be positive. The "quantum" of contribution may be less because of the low strength of Mars. Since Mars occupies the 8th bhava and Saturn the 4th, there could be some disturbances in education as well.

What prompts you to say that Mars seldom acts after 2 years ?

TKC

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Fri May 08, 2015 12:35 am

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Re: Lagna and Lagnadipathi.

Post by Snr » Fri May 08, 2015 12:44 am

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