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Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:08 am

I have seen many top astrologers like Joni Patry and Komilla Sutton say that retrograde and exalted planets act like debilitated and vice versa.
Have astrologers on this site found this rule to work?

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:32 am

Hi,

Yes, this rule always works.

Exalted+ retrograde= debilitated;
Debilitated+ retrograde= exalted.

Retrograde means "the opposite results", astrologicaly. Also, for all the retrograde planets this rule works. If someone has Jupiter in Gemini retrograde, he will act like Jupiter in Saggitarius. The worst placements are of natural malefic planets in kendra, in own house but retrograde. Hell on earth type of results.
The rule is given in a book which is considered authoritative (I forgat for now the title/ author of that book).

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by GNE » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:31 am

If this concept does work,
would a debilitated retro 9th lord in a kendra as = exalted 9th lord in kendra,
thus a lakshmi yoga(If venus/lagna lord is also strong), for example?

Also what about neechbhanga, if an exalted but retrograde planet is conjunct the lord of the sign in a kendra , or an exalted retrograde planet is conjunct a debilitated retrograde planet - both are giving each other a cancellation technically speaking. It is worth research / testing.

I myself feel there is no difference (exalted retro is still exalted...) but then I haven't tested that out on too many charts to say for sure.

Obama's chart would then have 'hell on earth' results from his Retrograde saturn in capricorn, no?

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:01 am

Hi,

My understanding is that this rule realy works. Thus, my answer is Yes for the first 2 issues: Lakshmi Yoga and Neechbhanga. I think that we can try this on charts.

In Obama's chart, both Jupiter and Saturn are retrograde. Thus, as per above rule, Jupiter debilitated but retrograde act like an exalted planet. Also, Saturn by retrogradation is like if is in Cancer, a great Rasi for Saturn in 1st or 10th houses. It is considered a great Raja Yoga. See the charts of A. Hitler (Saturn in 10th in Cancer); Napoleon (Saturn in 10th in Cancer); Indira Gandhi (Saturn in Lagna in Cancer); Bill Clinton (Saturn in Lagna in Cancer) etc.
Thus, Obama is having heaven on earth type of results in his life.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:45 am

I have seen many examples of retrograde and debilitated working as exalted, but few of exalted and retro working as debilitated, hence my doubt.
I know of a few charts with mercury retrograde in Virgo but the persons concerned had decent results, not bad. I know of the same placement giving bad results to two people due to tough aspects.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:45 am

Hi,

If you can, maybe you will put some charts about which you are unsure, on this issue, for all of us to learn.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by GNE » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:15 am

There's Bachchan's chart, where exalted mercury is retrograde. If it's "debilitated" now, then would that not severly weaken the chart since it's the dispositor of many things and does not get any significant neecha bhanga. ? It would also be 5th lord debilitated for him.
His saturn also retrograde in taurus....using this concept it would be as though it's in Scorpio, which is much worse for it

Though I'm not too confident in his birthtime, even though 99% of people agree to use the one with aquarius lagna.
But even with birthtime change, mercury would likely be either 7 or 9th lord, still very important and troublesome if acting debilitated in his case

Sure he had some career setback in mercury dasha, but did not fall too far and also had a good number of success's too. Any issue I would think could be explained by mercury's placement itself + Transit at the time (or other dasha too..chara, yogini...) And not just that mercury is acting debilitated now. But that's just my opnion.
http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

Of course I am not rebuking the concept over just one chart.
Would be great to test on more examples too.

I would share my chart but it is confusing (there's an exalted+debilited retrograde planet conjunct one another...so even if the exalted one becomes deb, and vice versa...they still are giving each other a neech bhanga + they are in kendra)

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:57 am

marian i. wrote:Hi,

If you can, maybe you will put some charts about which you are unsure, on this issue, for all of us to learn.

[Small off-topic: I do not have the right to access the P.M. box, thus I cannot read the messages sent by members.]

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Hi Marian
The charts are of family members and a friend, so I will have to ask them first.
I will check with them and post the charts if they are ok with it.
I will also look for more charts of public figures.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:28 pm

GNE wrote:There's Bachchan's chart, where exalted mercury is retrograde. If it's "debilitated" now, then would that not severly weaken the chart since it's the dispositor of many things and does not get any significant neecha bhanga. ? It would also be 5th lord debilitated for him.
His saturn also retrograde in taurus....using this concept it would be as though it's in Scorpio, which is much worse for it

Though I'm not too confident in his birthtime, even though 99% of people agree to use the one with aquarius lagna.
But even with birthtime change, mercury would likely be either 7 or 9th lord, still very important and troublesome if acting debilitated in his case

Sure he had some career setback in mercury dasha, but did not fall too far and also had a good number of success's too. Any issue I would think could be explained by mercury's placement itself + Transit at the time (or other dasha too..chara, yogini...) And not just that mercury is acting debilitated now. But that's just my opnion.
http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

Of course I am not rebuking the concept over just one chart.
Would be great to test on more examples too.

I would share my chart but it is confusing (there's an exalted+debilited retrograde planet conjunct one another...so even if the exalted one becomes deb, and vice versa...they still are giving each other a neech bhanga + they are in kendra)
Thank you for sharing. Didn't he get KBC in Mercury dasha? 90s were bad for him, yes.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by lightray94 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:08 pm

Dear members,
If in that case shahrukh khan has saturn (r) in aquarius at 17.14 degrees, even though you can see his following and sasa yoga coming to play.
Note: highest mooltrikon degrees for saturn is 17-20 in aquarius.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:50 am

Hi,

First I want to say something about A. Bachchan's chart.
It looks like a weak chart at a first glance, but it is not so. Jupiter is the ruler of 2nd and 11th houses, exalted and in Vargottama and aspects Lagna by Rasi Drishti: this gives Srimanta Yoga (wealth). The strenght of Jupiter gave a lot of money. Jupiter is in 10th from Moon- great fame and he is even worshiped like a God in some temple.

Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna):

Maha Dasas:

Rah: 1939-11-24 (2:05:49 pm) - 1948-11-23 (9:27:47 pm)
Sun: 1948-11-23 (9:27:47 pm) - 1957-11-24 (4:44:08 am)
Moon: 1957-11-24 (4:44:08 am) - 1966-11-24 (12:10:31 pm)
Mars: 1966-11-24 (12:10:31 pm) - 1975-11-24 (7:36:11 pm)
Merc: 1975-11-24 (7:36:11 pm) - 1984-11-24 (3:02:18 am)
Jup: 1984-11-24 (3:02:18 am) - 1993-11-24 (10:11:03 am)
Ven: 1993-11-24 (10:11:03 am) - 2002-11-24 (5:45:02 pm)
Sat: 2002-11-24 (5:45:02 pm) - 2011-11-25 (1:09:01 am)

I will use this Dasa because Rahu as co lord of Aquarius is in the 7th house. His rise came in Mars and Mercury Dasas. Both planets are in 8th house with Yogakaraka Venus and Sun. Sun is the 7th lord, marriage, and with karaka Venus gave marriage to him. Mercury is the 5th lord- children were born to him in that period. In Virgo with these planets are UL (marriage) and A5 (children).

For the issue of this thread this chart is not very helpful to see the results of Mercury retrograde in Virgo. In that sign are 2 lords of kendras and 2 lord of trikonas. Venus is also Yogakaraka. Thus, all the houses ruled by these planets are benefited, even in the case of Mercury retrograde in exaltation, because even if a planet is badly placed if is yuti with lords of trikona/ Yogakaraka planets, that planet will be benefited (Parasara).
One Yoga says that if the 2nd Lord is debilitated and also aspected by another debilitated planet one is a beggar. But, if a debilitated planet is aspected/ yuti by a trikona lord, good results will follow. It is like if to that homeless beggar with 2nd in debility some rich person has made a donation of a big some of money (yuti with trikona lords etc): he will not remain a beggar. The houses/ planets yuti/ aspected by trikona lords/ Yogakarakas are dipped in Nectar.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by npl » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:59 am

Hello Members,

I don't have much knowledge about astrology, but what about Rahu and Ketu? They both are always retrograde still the results are seen from normal prospect. Please share your views on it.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by lekha » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:48 am

So if one has Rahu in Taurus and automatically Ketu in Scorpio......how do we perceive it.
do we see as two retrograde exalted planets aspecting ....so they act as debilitated?

Then what's the point of Rahu being exalted in any sign, as it automatically is aspected by exalted ketu and as they are retrograde.always.....they are debilitated?

Confused newbie.....
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by lordmihira » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:46 am

Rahu and ketu they move in apasavya (retro motion)

that dictum exalted + retrograde = debilitated is for 7 planets
and not for Nodes (rahu & ketu)

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by Jan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:33 am

A search in the solar fire program for Jupiter exalted gave many results. Some of these were also
Retrograde.

Examples for inquiry for anyone interested:
*Kevin Costner
*Curt Cobain
*Jimmi Hendrix
*Elizabeth Taylor
*Denzel Washington
*Edward Kennedy




Did check Diana Ross who have Rx Jupiter exalted in 10th house as 3rd lord (Music).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Ross

All subperiods of Jupiter did correspond with success looking into wikipedia.

Moon-Jupiter - first hitsingel
In late 1963, the group had their first hit with "When the Lovelight Starts Shining Through His Eyes". At the end of the year, Gordy assigned Ross as the group's lead singer, as the group originally did not have a designated lead vocalist.
Mars-Jupiter
Later in 1971, Ross starred in her first solo television special, Diana!, which included The Jackson 5. In 1972, the soundtrack to her film debut, Lady Sings the Blues, reached number one on the Billboard 200, selling two million units

Rahu-Jupiter
Ross signed with RCA, on May 20, 1981. At the time, Ross' was music history's most lucrative recording deal.
In October 1981, Ross released her first RCA album, Why Do Fools Fall in Love. The album sold over a million copies and featured hit singles such as her remake of the classic hit of the same name and "Mirror Mirror". At this same approximate time, Ross established her own production company, which she named Anaid Productions (the "Anaid" being "Diana" backwards), and also started investing in real estate, while also touring extensively in the United States and abroad. Before the release of Why Do Fools Fall in Love, Ross hosted her first TV special in four years, featuring Michael Jackson in the special. In early 1982, Ross sang the "Star-Spangled Banner" at Super Bowl XVI and appeared on the dance show Soul Train. The program devoted a full episode to her and Ross performed several songs from the Why Do Fools Fall in Love album.

In 1982, she followed up the success of Why Do Fools Fall in Love with Silk Electric, which featured the Michael Jackson-written and -produced "Muscles", resulting in another top-ten success for Ross. The album eventually went gold on the strength of that song
Jupiter-Jupiter
Ross performed during the Opening Ceremony of the 1994 FIFA World Cup held in Chicago and during the pre-match entertainment of the 1995 Rugby League World Cup final at Wembley Stadium.[27] On January 28, 1996, she performed the Halftime Show at Super Bowl XXX.
Jupiter dasha
In 1999, she was named the most successful female singer in the history of the United Kingdom charts, based upon a tally of her career hits
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:54 am

Hi,

Thus, we have a list of charts for study:
1. Shahrukh Khan;
2. Kevin Costner;
3. Kurt Cobain;
4. Jimmi Hendrix;
5. Elizabeth Taylor;
6. Denzel Washinghton;
8. Edward Kennedy;
9. Diana Ross.

Of these, I am sure about the t.o.b. only in the case of Kurt Cobain (Leo Lagna) and Elizabeth Taylor (Scorpio Lagna). Let's see these charts one by one, for all of us to learn something.

Thus, who wants to show in the case of Shahrukh Khan, from his chart:
- that he has 3 children;
- that he has an elder sister;
- that his wife is from another community/ religion;
- the job of his wife;
- his career as an actor etc.


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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:30 am

In the case of Mercury, isn't it both exalted and mooltrikona in Virgo? So does the latter help?

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by GNE » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:55 am

Sorry I cannot reply long, very busy at the moment but I will just say, thank you very much for the reply marian.
I'd like to add Audrey Hepburn to the list - retrograde exalted yogakaraka venus in the 2nd house.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by Jan » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:10 am

That's interesting GNE

Audrey Hepburn

Her venus as ruler of 4th and 9th is a significator for parents.
Her mother was "exalted", as she was a Baroness in the Dutch nobility.
Ella van Heemstra was a Dutch aristocrat and the third of five daughters of Baron Aarnoud van Heemstra,
Exalted venus in 2nd house (face) seems to be expressed.
A new poll made by shopping channel QVC which questioned over 2,000 women established that: Audrey Hepburn is / was the most beautiful woman of the past 100 years.
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A faschion Icon (Venus)
Style icon[edit]
Hepburn was noted for her fashion choices and distinctive look. Added to the International Best Dressed List in 1961
was inducted into the International Best Dressed List Hall of Fame
Parental divorce could indicate some setbacks in family. She also had some troubles with her father (9th lord Rx).

So venus acts like it is exalted imo. But venus is at the sandhi Point and Rx which complicates it imo.
But it does not acts like a debiliteted venus in my opinion. Interesting.....
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by GNE » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:03 pm

True Jan,
At first I was thinking venus seems exalted because of her face - but I know not to blame "1 factor" for someone's appearance that way, however it does seem more exalted for reasons you mentioned.

The father troubles may also be Ketu in 9 + the fact that 9th lord is 6th from itself, whereas 4th lord is 11th from itself...
Again, not that this is the only factor to cause these things. Just at a glance it seems more obvious there could be father issues without needing to blame the Retrogression of Venus in her chart.

another chart , Marlon Brando. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Brando,_Marlon
Exalted retrograde Saturn.

3rd lord too.... many say that is the lord of 'acting'/media. Certainly not acting debilitated for him (considered by most - at least in north america - to be the best actor of all time).

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by Jan » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:32 am

GNE,

Yes - true, the whole chart needs to be interpreted for complete analysis.
But these short analyse was mostly from the angle of the actual planet that was exalted and Rx
to see how that factor in general is faring in the picture.
Yes- ketu in Audrey Hepburns chart is very telling about the father issues.

Denzel Washington
Jupiter exalted in 11th house in gaja cesari yoga with moon in 5th.
His chart is extremely strong in many ways, so it is hard to see what is what in the
analysis. But his Jupiter seems strong as karaka. Academy Awards in Jupiter dasha as well.

He is said have a very strong faith, wanting to be a preacher. He have 4 kids. And is married to same
wife all these years. Jupiter is 7th lord exalted in 11th house which is very good. Jupiter is 4th lord and
with his wealth I guess his home is quite fashionable as would fit an exalted 4th lord....

My teacher said in a course that exalted planets in Retrogression could sometimes give intitially good results,
and later backstep a bit true to the retrogression.
And the contrary to a debilitated Rx planet could give intitially some negativities but later improve. This take make a bit more sense to me, than the blank statement that the exalted Rx planet acts just as a debilitated planet. More examples need to be studied before conclusion however....
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by GNE » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:30 am

Good points Jan,
I could see that being a possibility for sure - that an exalted retro planet still acts exalted but may slow down(or stop) giving such good results over time, and vice versa for a retrograde debilitated planet.

Though for that I feel we'd have to test on some charts of people who went through the time periods of the exalted or deb. retro planets. It is difficult with celebrities sometimes, since we cannot talk to them and ask how they felt the time truly was to them, or how much they "Struggled". We just see the end result.

Denzel's 4th lord/house is clearly exalted indeed: https://billionaireaddresses.files.word ... =590&h=462
(That is an ariel view of his estate)

With so many conflicting opinions on retrograde planet results among the classics, it is certainly an area where I feel people should not say " oh some planet is retrograd = so it is always bad." (or always good. ...or whatever the person believes) since really, they don't know for sure.

The topic is a close one to me because I have 3 retrograde planets, one is debilited+retro (mercury), the other is exalted+retro (venus). :shock: (and the third is saturn in scorpio).
It is difficult to judge from my own chart - first of all, because my lagna on a cusp so not 100% sure which that is.
and second of all, I have not really lived long enough to say without a doubt how the retrograde planets have behaved.

If I did have to judge based on my life up to now though, I'd say Saturn still acts as though it's in scorpio, Mercury and venus are both exalted but the yoga/results are delayed due to retrograde. lol that's just how it feels.
(exalted based on house rulership results and during their AD or PD phases that I've had, it's always been a good (or even the best) time in my life)

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:20 am

Hi,

"If a planet is retrograde while in exaltation, it produces no effect (i.e. nothing good will happen). This is the view held by some. Even if it is in exaltation by its entry in retograde motion from the next sign (for ex, Jupiter entering Cancer from Leo), the effect is the same, for it takes unduly time in such traversion" ("Saravali" 5.14).

"A retrograde planet will yield results similar to that of one posited in another's (i.e. enemy's) amsa" ("Narada Purana" 55.176).

The translation of Narada Purana is done by a layman, not an astrologer. Thus, that sloka can mean that all retrograde planets gives the effect of placement in the opposite Rasi (ex. Jupiter in Cancer acts like Jupiter in Capricorn). This is the view of some important astrologers of our time.

Ex: In the case of Kurt Cobain, Saturn with exalted Venus in 8th house shows medium life, but the 8th Lord Jupiter is exalted but retrograde. For Leo Lagna this placement of Jupiter gives long life, but not for Jupiter retrograde. Of course, the rules for longevity given by Parashara/ Jaimini shows short life for this chart.

Dear Gne, you don't know your real Lagna? It is very easy for a case with Lagna close to Rasi sandhi to reactify the chart. You have some thread about it on the forum?

When we study Vedas or Vedangas, we must consult three sources: Guru, Sastras and Sadhus. I think that the two quotes from above hints at this rule for all the retrograde planets. Also, the learned astrologers of today gives the same rule. And they are Guru also in astrological field.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by GNE » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:32 pm

Marian,
You are correct, I am not 100% sure of my lagna. It is either Gemini or Cancer.
I have had rectifications with a few astrologers aswell as forum threads and it has still remained unclear. Some astrologers sweat by Gemini, others select Cancer for me. One issue I think is they all mostly use rectification with vimshottari dasha , which i find is not reliable (most can (and have) talked themselves into make any event fit any chart of mine)

I even had two astrologers see me in person and check my palm/face, and one said 'for sure' I am Gemini. But another (on a different day) said Cancer. :?

But when I imagine my chart as either gemini or cancer, either way the retrograde exalted venus seems to be giving good effect (at least during it's AD/PD) , and just in general when I read what an exalted venus does to a native's life it seems to match me more than when I read about debilitated venus.
Sure I am not married yet and am 31 years old, but in both charts I can see reasons for delay of marriage without looking at venus acting debilitated.
Also if we follow what some believe, that retrograde = delay, then could be that simply (venus retro = delay of love/marriage). As until only recently I never cared much for finding love or marriage.

it is also confusing in my chart since Venus is giving NeechaBhanga to mercury...but if we reverse which is 'exalted' because of retrogression, mercury is sort of giving neechabhanga to venus. lol

There is a book "mystery of retrograde planets" by MG Katswar , that has a compilation of various sloka's from classics/sages on retrograde. In it we see there are many conflicting views even among them.
Some say retrograde benefics in any sign are more benefic / and malefics more malefic... etc.

One is Brihat Jatak, says 'when five planets, mercury, mars, jupiter, saturn and venus are retrograde, they acquire more strength'

now depends on what we take 'strength' as....but generally most think strength = more positive (or gives more results). like when talking about shadbal strength.


Jatak Tatva - mahadeva,
states: "Retrograde planets or those in exaltation possess great strength".

now it's saying OR those in exaltation of course, not retrograde+exalted...but still, mentions it being a good thing similar to exaltation in a way (mentioned along side it as way to make a planet strong)

it also has a sloka that says: " if benefics are retrograde, they bestow a kingdom and wealth. while malefics cause harma and evil".

The book shows Saravali also saying a similar sloka (benefic retrograde = giving kingdom/wealth..malefic=more malefic)
Along with the sloka Marian wrote from saravali.

but then Bhavartha Ratnakar - Ramanujacharya, says:
"Malefic planets when retrograde give auspicious results".

...

some text called the Bhavamanjari (mukunda daivajna) states:
"Benefic planets when placed in exaltation and retrograde become more benefic and very strong. Malefic planet become more malefic".

Sarvarth Chintamani lists results of the dasha of each retrograde planet, basically benefic ones (mer, ven, jup) give recognition, honor, wealth, etc.. and malefic mars/sat retrograde dasha brings failure, unhappiness,etc..
according to this.
But no mention of the result changing if debilitated or exalted

Another text called "Jyotish Jatva Prakash, chapter 2, sloka 90, says: " malefic retrograde planets are very evil and benefic retrograde planets are very good".


anyway, there is more, but basically all repeat similarly.

Thing about malefic being more malefic, I don't agree with if following vimshottari dasha - since I've seen many celebrities charts (aswell as some family members) who had the best times/rise in life during the Dasha of retrograde Saturn or mars. (especially in saturn...seen many rise during retrograde saturn MD.)

so...still a topic worth testing / researching, as we're doing.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:14 am

Hi,

Yes, many books gives different rules to judge a retrograde planet. This maybe is due to the inffluence of Kali Yuga, which brings, as per shastras, this splitting tendency among people/ nations/ religions and even in the understanding of Vedas/ Vedangas given in the books of Sages/ Gurus etc.
But, if we have a problem with the Shastras, we must consult Gurus and Sadhus. Guru means your teacher (if you/ we have one) and Sadhu means some other authorities on the subjects. What is their's opinion on this? For me Pt Sanjay Rath is a great teacher/ authority on this subject, so I follow his teachings. He gives this rule: if a planet is retrograde it will give the results as if it is in the opposite Rasi.

Maybe we can understand/ see also, another rules related with this issue. If a planet is retrograde and exalted, we must look or not at some combination for Necchabanga or not? And also, in the Nadi texts, if in a chart Mercury, Venus and Saturn are togheter they are strong, because they are friends. Also for Sun, Mars and Jupiter if they are togheter. In the chart of A. Bachchan Mercury and Venus are togheter in the Sign of Mercury, thus they are strong. Also, in your chart Venus and Mercury are togheter in Pisces, the Sign of exaltation for Venus, thus they both are strong, even without looking at the Graha Yuddha or their's retrogradation state. If Mercury is defeated in Graha Yuddha, still Venus is a friend of Mercury, thus is helping him. Or, if Venus is weak being exalted but retrograde, he is helped by Mercury, his friend. Also, Saturn is in the same direction (trikona house) from Venus- Mercury, being the friend of Mercury and Venus (this is a also a great Dhana Yoga in Nadis).


Regards,
M

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