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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by sweke » 29 Nov 2011

Here is an interesting chart for analysis:
Aug 15 1872 5:17 am
88 E 20, 22 N 30
5:53 E GMT

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by fluid2finance » 29 Nov 2011

hi Sweke,

That is a very marginal lagna time...maybe rectified later to suit leo lagna...very old data...i am sure it will be doubtful to have a precise time that long back

Lagna changes only around 5:15 am

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by astrolight2011 » 29 Nov 2011

Really great thread to learn...i would like the learned members to give their views on this chart....

DOB: 21/5/1960
place:4:20 pm
place:pathanamthitta (kerala)

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Postby astrolight2011 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:26 pm
Really great thread to learn...i would like the learned members to give their views on this chart....

DOB: 21/5/1960
place:4:20 pm
place:pathanamthitta (kerala)
Latitude: 9° 16' North
Longitude: 76° 47' East

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by sweke » 30 Nov 2011

hmm dunno what I am missing...but the main thing I read here is a strong VRY - 12L in 8, 8L in 6, 6L in 3.
I get a Libra lagna.
Will wait for the learned members to comment, before I dive deeper :)

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by Saindhavi » 30 Nov 2011

Thanks, Sweke for this chart -

Aug 15 1872 5:17 am
88 E 20, 22 N 30
5:53 E GMT


I'm getting Leo Lagna at 8.24.19 degrees.

Rahu-Ketu are strong and well placed at near-zenith points in 4-10 axis, thus giving the native a strong combination for a powerful administrative or diplomatic position and also property and wealth. 2nd house lord Mercury is in Budhaditya Yoga in Lagna and in Leo sign. Hence, it enhances the rise of the native. An ability in language, oratory skills and career in law are possible.

Exalted Jupiter cancels the debilitation of 12th by Mars and takes the native for foreign travel and residence, which may have been beneficial for him/her.

Sun the Lagna Lord should further give a rise to the Lagna, but it's in transition zone at 0.21 degrees. Hence, Sun Mahadasha may have given the native growth after struggle or illness.

Saturn gives wealth to the native.

The native was born in Ketu Mahadasha, hence his/her childhood for 3 yrs must have been good. Venus Mahadasha may have been average.

Moon is with Saturn, giving the native a spiritual bent of mind. During Moon Mahadasha the native may have turned to spirituality. Mars Mahadasha was not good. Rahu Mahadasha gave this native spectacular rise in career.

The main problem in this chart is the 7th house. Mars adversely aspect the 7h house. Venus and Saturn attempt to protect it, but it's more likely that the native had a bad marriage devoid of warmth or there was a break in marriage because of spouse leaving or dying.
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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by Saindhavi » 30 Nov 2011

Thanks, Astrolight,

Chart given by you -

DOB: 21/5/1960
place:4:20 pm
place:pathanamthitta (kerala)
Latitude: 9° 16' North
Longitude: 76° 47' East


I'm getting Libra Lagna.

Lagna Lord Venus aspects the Lagna, giving rise to the native and/or giving wealth or proficient in fine arts.

10th Lord Moon is in 6th, along wih 2nd and 7h Lord Mars. This native may have a career in sports or in a field dealing with energy, travel and much activity. Jupiter in 3rd further enhances this.

Saturn has protected the native's 5th house from Ketu's effect, is giving good fortune to the native and takes him/her abroad. this native will rise in the periods of Venus and Saturn.

this native was born in Mercury Mahadasha, which may have been less than average, giving problems in education, because Mercury is combust. Ketu Mahadasha may have been bad and may have given health problems and some affliction to the mental processes.

the native began to rise in Venus Mahadasha, which brought wealth and success. Sun Mahadasha brought further wealth, power and glory to the native.

Moon and Mars Mahadasha keep the native engaged in hard work but success in career. Mars Mahadasha may cause health problems to the native.
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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by sweke » 01 Dec 2011

Great going Saindhavi.

Here's my take on Astrolight's 21/5/1960 chart:
Agree with a lot of points stated before.

10L in 6 along with Mars - possibly a service professional in healthcare line - say for e.g. a fitness center with both Yoga + high energy exercises(gym, aerobics). Or may be involved in gynaecology (Mo + Ma + 6H), but may not be a doctor, surgeon or a nurse (don't see Su or Ke involvement) but maybe a business partner(7L). Mo being the current dasa, the native may be involved in such activities currently.

Sun in 8 along with 9L+12L Me - possibly an early demise of the father - Sun/Me period maybe (2002-2003).
Native may have gained large sums through insurance or inheritance from that.

But to answer the primary question of what his he/she a celebrity for...hmm...like Saindhavi said fame possibly during Ve dasha. Ra + Ke are the 5H planets from both sides. So I am thinking native achieved fame by revealing or exposing the psychology (Sun in 8, Ra's lord) about social taboos, greed or outcasts (11 Ra), Special-needs Children (5 Ke), Social inequalities, or some such line. (phew! :roll: ) And even this would have been possible only due to VRY (12L in 8 Me) - so possibly after a lot of obstacles, losses or other's losses/ missed opportunities.

I agree with other points as well - 9L in 8 - possible setback in higher studies. 8L in 7 and 7L in 6 - possible loss of wife or marriage.

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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by Saindhavi » 01 Dec 2011

Sweke,

Thanks for those insights! Let's hope some more people give readings.
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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by astrolight2011 » 04 Dec 2011

Dear Saindhavi/sweke,

Thanks for giving your analysis on the chart..would like to reveal the identity of the celebrity for 1960,pathanamthitta chart...

This cahart belongs to one of the most celeberated and reverred ators of malayalam movies...Shri Mohanlal..
.......regarded as one of the finest actors in Indian cinema and is a cultural icon in the Indian state of Kerala, where he was elected its most popular individual in a 2006 online poll conducted by CNN-IBN on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of Kerala's formation.In 2001, the Government of India honoured him with the Padma Shri, India's fourth highest civilian honour, for his contributions to Indian cinema. He has won four Indian National Film Awards — two Best Actor Awards, one Special Jury Award for acting, and one Award for Best Film as producer along with six Kerala State Film Awards for Best Actor. In 2009, he became the first actor to be given the honorary rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the Territorial Army of India and in 2010 received an honorary doctorate from Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit, Kerala.


Based on your views saindhavi ji,

1."Lagna Lord Venus aspects the Lagna, giving rise to the native and/or giving wealth or proficient in fine arts."

you hit the bulls eye...he is an actor(proficient in fine arts)...and really outstanding one...and he had his rise in venus dasha..say after 1985...and he has never looked back after that...
he entered movies in 1980-81 with an negative character..which gave him fame..but had to work in mere sidekick roles or as small negative rolls but had a dramatic change post 1985...a series of movies which took him to great heights in malayalam movies...


Though post 2000 his quality of acting has declined ...(a personal opinion of a fan,who was been always amazed by his acting skills..)but still going well with respect to popularity and wealth...

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2.This native may have a career in sports or in a field dealing with energy, travel and much activity. Jupiter in 3rd further enhances this.
Mohanlal was an amateur wrestler. He was due to go for the National championship in Delhi, when he was called to audition for the role Narendran in the film Manjil Virinja Pookkal by Navodaya. His friends had sent his photographs to Navodya productions, and the company was looking for fresh actors.
quoted from one of his biographies ..so there was an inclination towards sports and combined with swekes analysis of something to do with physical exercise,aerobics,gym..inclination towards wrestling ..i think confirms the statement...but was not able to take it as a career further....



3)Sun in 8 along with 9L+12L Me - possibly an early demise of the father - Sun/Me period maybe (2002-2003


very true....sweke...great..he lost his father...but around 2007..and he was 80 years..but he lost his elder brother during the years specified by you say(2002-2003)..and as you mentioned it was an early demise in this case..though i heard it was a suicide.. cant confirm that..there were lot of rumours...in film magazines..4)


4)But to answer the primary question of what his he/she a celebrity for...hmm...like Saindhavi said fame possibly during Ve dasha. Ra + Ke are the 5H planets from both sides. So I am thinking native achieved fame by revealing or exposing the psychology (Sun in 8, Ra's lord) about social taboos, greed or outcasts (11 Ra), Special-needs Children (5 Ke), Social inequalities, or some such line. (phew! ) And even this would have been possible only due to VRY (12L in 8 Me) - so possibly after a lot of obstacles, losses or other's losses/ missed opportunities.

very true..his brand of acting was very different and his choice of films too...he acted in all the genre of films..but some of his unique films from say year 1985-1995 stands out in its theme and expressions..they had some deep social messages to convey which he expressed finely through his subtle acting prowess...truly this era from say 1985-95 was considered golden era of malayalam movies not only of mohanlal...but also by the contribution of great directors ,singers,script writers...i feel he got the right support and opportunity to hone his skills through them...

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Post by astrolight2011 » 04 Dec 2011

5)9L in 8 - possible setback in higher studies. 8L in 7 and 7L in 6 - possible loss of wife or marriage.

This is fine..he could not complete his bcom...as he got into films ...

but marriage is intact..though there are rumours of living seperately and about his colourful life and link ups......have no valid source for that...may be rumours as all great celebrities are assosciated with...


6) last ,my query is based on your early views expressed and compared to the views expressed by you in earlier posts for other celebrities...i got a feel that this horoscope seems to be very simple...i mean whatever he has acheieved does that syncronize with his planets as there are no great combinations of rajayogas and powerful pancha maha purusha yogas present,which i feel (please correct me if iam wrong,me being a learner) are prerequisite for a celebrity status and fame of such a level...can one planet say venus lift him to such heights ..that too beneftted bein it in a kendra and aspecting lagna...but i think lot of people may have that. with lagna lord aspecting lagna with moderate strenth....but why they have not attained of even 25% of what this person has achieved...what might be the reason...seriously astrology is very complex...but would love to have your views on this point....


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Please find his image
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Post by Saindhavi » 08 Dec 2011

Astrolight,

Thanks for this chart of a versatile actor! I am glad to know some of my readings are correct.

He was called while going for a wrestling championship to audition for acing - shows how Bhagya (destiny) is different from astrology. No astrologer can say which of the multiple combinations in a chart will finally dominate. He could have been a sportsperson who also indulged in fine arts from time to time, or in business on the side, or he could have been a sportsperson who turned into an actor, or he could have been an actor who loved sports - this is something astrology cannot predict. It is decided by destiny, which cannot be read by astrology.

Sweke,

Perhaps you can reveal the identity of he person now.
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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by sweke » 12 Dec 2011

Thats the birth chart of Sri Aurobindo. Here's the wikilink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Aurobindo.
Though the time maybe disputable, it is still very interesting to see some of the classic yogas in the chart.

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Post by Saindhavi » 12 Dec 2011

Sweke,

Thanks for that. I said there was a spiritual content in the chart, though I read the chart with my attention on a materialistic person! :wink:

This chart teaches us that while reading charts, we should keep in mind that the person may not engage in worldly pursuits like everyone.

So, exalted Jupiter in 12th enhances the spiritual pursuits of this native and not foreign travel so much, though he did leave home to live in Pondicherry.

In fact, a higher kind of Rahu also gives the native gyana or knowledge, apart from strategic capabilities and this chart shows the highest form of Rahu operating, helping Moon conjunct with Saturn.

Next chart to work on -

24h of May 1819
London
4.15 am


The biography of the native says the birth time was carefully recorded, so it should be right.

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Post by sweke » 15 Dec 2011

Okay....this is what I see for this DOB 24 May 1819, London.

I think this person may have some royal connection - Mom or dad in royal family possibly bcos of Lagna in Aries, exalted moon with Su.
Exalted Mo as 4L but amavasya yoga - may have had a very good childhood albeit with some problems with parents.
Lagnadhipathi in 12 along with Rahu - may have suffered a lot in the material world and may have gone into renunciation after much suffering. Or may have migrated abroad and had a better life after that.
12L & 9L Ju in 10 but neecha - a Guru-related profession such as teaching, preaching, consulting etc which would also involve a lot of foreign travels. Although Gu is debilitated, there may have been constant problems in the profession, but there would have been relief due to the parivartana with house lord Sa.
Ke in 6 - may have had poor health or constant fear of life.
7L & 2L in 1 - may have had a good relationship with spouse. But as 2/7l in lagna may have been sourrounded by deaths/ murders etc constantly.

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Post by shilpa » 15 Dec 2011

sweke wrote:Thats the birth chart of Sri Aurobindo. Here's the wikilink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Aurobindo.
Though the time maybe disputable, it is still very interesting to see some of the classic yogas in the chart.

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Sri Aurbindo ghose is a unique chart amogst 1000s I have seen.
you know why?
an amsabala of 10 for surya.....unbelievable.......akin to a divine incarnation
this chart comes as a default with the Jhora installation.

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Post by Saindhavi » 15 Dec 2011

Shilpa,

Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware that Aurobindo's chart is rare amongst 1000s!

Sweke,

That's a great analysis.

I'll wait for a few days before revealing the identity.
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Post by pray&love » 19 Dec 2011

Hi sweke/ saindhavi,

The tob of Sri Aurobindo is exactly 5.00a.m as per the official website of sriaurobindosociety. I am getting a cancer lagna with a jupiter mars combo in the lagna.It also gives details of some of the important events in his life like
-movement to UK in 1889 at the age of 7.
-admission with scholarship in Cambridge in 1890 .
-Knowledge of 7 foreign languages
-return to India in 1893.
-marriage in 1901
-he had no children and his wife died at a young age of 32.

I think his birth chart needs a little rectification to ascertain the correct lagna.

http://www.sriaurobindosociety.org.in/s ... e.htm#whoi

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Post by Saindhavi » 20 Dec 2011

Pray&Love,

Thanks for that information.

I have checked the lagna with 5am and it seems to me that 5.17am is more probable.

With 5.17am, Mercury the planet of communication and languages is well-placed with Sun and Venus in the Lagna, thus the native can know many languages and be skilled in oratory - I mentioned language and oratory skills in my reading above.

Mars aspects 7th house adversely, thus possibility of wife's death is possible - I mentioned this in my reading above.

Exalted Jupiter cancels debilitation of 12th house, thus possibility of foreign stay and scholarship for higher education abroad is ensured by the exalted Jupiter - I mentioned exalted Jupiter's connection with benefic foreign stay in my reading above.

Saturn malefic in 5th prevents the native from having children.

On the other hand, in 5am chart, foreign travel is still ensured by Saturn's friendly aspect on 12th house and knowledge of languages my also be possible with Mercury well-placed.

But there is no reason for the native not to have children - a powerful and beneficial Ketu is bound to give children who may have mystical qualities.

Besides, Mars aspects the 7th house in his exaltation sign and there is no reason for his wife to die early in this chart.

Mars is under compulsion to give the effect of 7th house in this chart - albeit a mild one.

Hence, the way I look at it, 5.17am should be the correct time of birth.

Others may give their opinions if they like.
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Post by Ghrishneswar » 27 Dec 2011

Learners and pros, After Saindhavi's London chart, (24h of May 1819, London, 4.15 am) , can you take a stab at this native?

July 30, 1947,
Graz, Austria,
4:10 AM.

I would like to know the reasons why this person is celebrity, his childhood, his career, marrriage, children, his strengths, weakness and inner self.
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Post by Ghrishneswar » 27 Dec 2011

London chart shows the power of navamsa.
Should we use LMT in JHora?
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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by Saindhavi » 01 Jan 2012

Ghrishneshwar,

Thanks for the Austria chart.

I'll read the Austria chart once you've given your reading for the London chart - either in J Hora or in Chitrapaksha Aaynansha of Lahiri.
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Re: Celebrities Anonymous...

Post by Hina » 02 Jan 2012

Ghrineshwar,

Re- Austria chart-

I guessed the austria chart right away. Only one famous personality coming out of austria after Adolf Hiltler. In any case, I had done a project on the person once, so I knew it. :)

But I will try to analyze it. It is such an interesting chart & I think the chart does not do justice to the person.the time may be off a bit.

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