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Astrologer and Role of Uranus

Post by janaki » 26 Oct 2012

Dear All,

I have always been fascinated by role of Uranus in astrology.

Personally I have met many people who have uranus in their ascendent and are very intelligent. As the planet behaves their behavior could be whimsical and their thinking capacity out of the box.

This is quite true for people with scorpio ascendent and uranus in ascendent of he native. This was true for natives born in 1980s where most of the technological innovations started taking place.

Vedic astrology considers mercury to be responsible for astrology. I have a few questions regarding planetorial combinations in an astrologer's chart for being a good astrologer.

1. Strength of Uranus in Astrologer's chart
2. Role of neptune
3. Houses these planets should be placed to be able to become a good astrologer
4. Is aquarius ruled by uranus as its a sign of invention/individuality?



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Re: Astrologer and Role of Uranus

Post by Saindhavi » 26 Oct 2012

Hi Janaki,

Indian astrology doesn't consider Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. This is because we don't have ancient data recorded in ancient texts about them and we have to wait for at least 500 years to get the data from the past to form any theories about them.

Besides, these being far out, are not visible to the eye and hence, it is regarded that their energy doesn't affect our body much.
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Re: Astrologer and Role of Uranus

Post by janaki » 26 Oct 2012

Hello Saindhavijee,

Thanks for your viewpoint.

I would like to share some information I collected from literature about these planets.

Uranus (Hershel) is a Classic Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory if anyone watches that program. I am a big fan :D :D .

Hershel was found in 1781. He takes 84 years to complete one cycle through all rashis. The effect of mankind is technological innovations, fashion, changed eating habits (junk, pizzas, pastas etc), facilitated transport system.

He is a whimsical planet as his orbit around the sun is elliptical..so sometimes he comes close to sun and sometimes goes away. He is independent with great imagination power, hardworking, friendly with all hierarchy levels of society. When malefic, cruel, purposefully going against religions and traditions, Hitler's concentration camp

Governs:
Highly qualified individuals, Individuals at high posts (be it any field, arts, engineering, medicine etc), welders, fitter, workers on ships.

Hershel is Purushagraha
Leo is own house, Aquarius mooltrikon
Shatrurasi-Tula


I would like to point out difference between mercury and Uranus. Mercury is a planet of intelligence. Its quick in grasping knowledge which is already available in this world. Hershel derives/invents things which are not there already. Hence it is important in all fields.

e.g. As we know saturn traits are important for a researcher to keep the persistence and things going until the end. A researcher governed by mercury will take a few years to invent something whereas the one governed by Hershel would do the same thing or even better in few months.
A sportsman governed by Mars will take a day to complete 100 runs whereas the one with Herchel will take few hours. Hershel's malefic karakatvas could be 100 times damaging than that of Mar's.
The same analogy is applicable for venus and other planets...

I think to be a good astrolger,placement of Hershel in Ascendent, 5th house or 10th house should be beneficial.

Neptune placement in Ascendent (helpful for intuition), 2nd house (Vachasiddhi), 5th house should be beneficial.

* Pluto is responsible for things which affect the masses. e.g. revolutions, plane accidents, epidemic desease etc..*

Different point of views are welcome from experienced members of this group.

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Re: Astrologer and Role of Uranus

Post by astroduffer » 26 Oct 2012

Not just uranus neptune pluto.. there are 1000s more and science will keep discovering in times to come.

The point is they are not for vedic astrology. 9 planets have been given adhipatya of giving phala by Lord and these are the only ones are accountable for karma phala.

Rest can be used to get pleasure via telescopes..
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Post by janaki » 26 Oct 2012

The karmafal effects are very well defined in Vedic Astrology and I have no doubts about that.

As the society is changing, people's way of thinking and the nature of the problems they are facing are changing.

e.g.
In earlier days even simple deseases like dengu or T.B. could be fatal but they are not anymore.

Mars is considered a Malefic in Vedic Astrology and martial women would be looked down as they would have their own individuality and would not accept injustice. In today's society it is beneficial for women to have martian effects as it gives them the courage to stand up for what they believe and can achieve.

We have to change as per how the society is changing. The nature of problems people are facing are changing. Hence the solution methodology by astrologers should also adaptable with changing times.

Hence I was curious about effects of Hershel and karakatva of Hershel as I think he should be considered an important planet in astrologer's chart to be able to give solutions as per changed times.
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Post by shilpa » 26 Oct 2012

There are many inherent diffrences between western astrology and vedic.....the latter being immensely richer.

so even thouhg both systems have a number of common planets i. e Su, Mo, Me, Ve, Ma, Jup and Sa......western astrologyx is able to derive far less from those 7 planets.

so western system needs addtional planets to define the full spectrum and range of parameters that govern human beings and mankind.,..and hence it used Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

remember the properties of these 3 planets were already covered by the 7 common plantes + rahu and Ketu always in Vedic system.

When you use Uranus, Neptune and Pluto in western system they make sense...especially as slow moving planets they have a huge impact on social phenomenons and defnining events of an era in the western systems.
Mixing them with the vedic system is not easy and can cause confusions.
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Post by janaki » 27 Oct 2012

Thank you Shilpajee for the information.

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Post by sathis » 27 Oct 2012

Uranus and neptune can be included in vedic astrology.but not pluto there are more planets like pluto beyond neptune.but uranus and neptune were larger and have more effect on earth.and they were found out by vedavyasa.

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Post by swamykool » 27 Oct 2012

Dear janaki,

The trans saturnine planets, i.e. Uranus Neptune and Pluto, is not recognised in Hindu Astrology and cannot be used in our calculations.

Hindu Astrology is mostly predictive in nature and basically based on Nks and follows a dasha-yoga approach. It is an extremely deep and sophisticated system with unparallaled predictive capabilities. Now these 3 (U N & P) does not own any Nk and thus does not have any dasha.

In that case how can the inherent effects (Nks) be fixed?? Or timing be calculated?? You cannot say such and such will come to pass in the MD of Uranus and AD of Pluto.

So for all practical purpose the 3 cannot be used in our astrology.

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Post by janaki » 28 Oct 2012

Sathis,

Yes as Uranus and Neptune are larger planets they would have effects of planet earth. You have mentioned that they were found by Vedvyasa. Would you like to elaborate more on this? (reference etc where you read this)

Swamycooljee,
Thanks for the information.
These planets dont have any NK till now. Some literature considers aquarius governed by Uranus.
As they are large planets they could have effects on the mankind.
There is literature available which explains the effects of placement of these planets in each house.
Maybe more serious research in the area could lead in determining the NK and dasha period for these planets.
This could be a possible research area for astrologers :D

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Post by Jan » 28 Oct 2012

While I don't believe in splitting up the system of jyotish. I think that noticing the transits or natal placements of these outer planets can be worthwhile. Not giving nakshatra rulership or sign rulership et.c.

Many astrologers use them even some of notable achievment. For example Dennis Harness.

http://dennisharness.com/
"Dennis was awarded the prestigious titles of Jyotish Kovid and Jyotisha Vachaspati from theIndian Council of Astrological Sciences."

Here is an excerpt from an article about it:
"Most jyotishi’s that I have met over the years have given minimal comment on the outer planets except to say that they may be reflected through the nodes of the Moon and other shadow planets or upagrahas such as Gulika. Themes of death and destruction are associated with Gulika somewhat similar to Pluto. In a recent TMA article, Dennis Flaherty wrote, “the astrologers of ancient India did not use Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, because these planets had not yet been discovered; however, the use of the outer planets in Vedic astrology is not as questionable as it may first appear. Furthermore, the Vedic sage Parasara recounts in the classic Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra that there are five non-luminous planets in addition to the traditional nine grahas. Parasara called these non-luminous planets upagrahas, or secondary planets. Many contemporary Vedic astrologers use the outer planets and consider them a type of upagraha in their effect.” 2

An important question still remains to be answered: Is there any evidence of commentary on the outer planets from ancient Vedic culture? In 1994, I had the good fortune of meeting the renowned Hindu astrologer and Vedic scholar from India named Narendra Desai. For many years until his death in April 2001, he taught workshops and gave private consultations throughout the United States. While sharing his knowledge at a Vedic Astrology conference in the Washington D.C. area in 1994, he began to speak about the importance of the outer planets. According to Mr. Desai, he saw an ancient Vasistha Nadi palm leaf in a museum in Madras, India, which predicted that three important grahas or planets would be discovered by the jyotishis of the Kali Yuga. The great seer Vasistha was the author of a number of hymns in the Rg Veda (dated 3000 BC) and was considered a great priest of the kings. According to the ancient palm leaf the names of the grahas or planets would be Prajapati, Varuna, and Yama. The palm leaf went on to reveal that the jyotishi’s of Kali Yuga would need to decipher the significance and meaning of these powerful grahas. It was refreshing to hear a traditional jyotishi from India speak with such an open mind toward the influence of the outer planets.


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Post by janaki » 28 Oct 2012

Jan,

Thanks for sharing this information. Its really interesting. Please see the following quote from the same article your have posted.

"Narendra Desai felt that Uranus was a higher octave of Mercury, the god of creative intellect. He said that a prominent Uranus was often seen in the chart of a good astrologer."

I started the forum with the same query, role of uranus in astrologer's chart. Basic maths comes under mercury whereas advanced maths, international financial transactions, Nuclear innovations are governed by Uranus.

This article states Pluto was a higher octave of Mars and Neptune, a higher octave of Venus.

I liked the last paragraph of this article which I am posting here:

-The true spirit and philosophy of the Vedas was to keep an open mind to all forms of truth. The challenge of integrating this information into the Vedic system is the work of the neo-vedic astrologer of the new millennium. The research should be done with an open mind while still protecting the tenets of traditional Jyotish. As the great seer Narendra Desai stated to one of his students; “Never mind what others say about the outer planets; they are there, we must use them!”

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Post by Jan » 28 Oct 2012

As I have some earlier saved material that can be used as case studies already researched for another
forum. I thought I can show here some about the power of Uranus in some charts that are well known.

Renember these planets are slow so there are periods when not much is happening.

But during a life time when they come active it is usually noticable.

First chart of Indira Gandhi. And some noticable events in her life.
Some of these charts are in round format as I cant show transits around the square one's on my
vedic software.

Chart of indira Gandhi.
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Note in Indira Gandhis chart UR is placed exactly on the degree opposite her ascendent in 7th house.
Thus Uranus is in some way describe her partnership. Feroze Gandhi was a progressive independent politician. (UR) is revolutionary. Feroze was from different cultural background and the marriage was a scandal. UR is alternative and odd in nature.

Ferozes heartattack.

Note transiting Uranus within a degree of Indiras 7th ruler saturn.
Uranus is sudden in nature.
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Post by Jan » 28 Oct 2012

2.
Here's the chart of Ferozes too early death.

Note transiting Uranus on Indira' ascendent.
Transiting uranus opposite Uranus in 7th house(the partner).

Uranus is quite slow in motion so having Uranus on ascendent is a once in a lifetime event
which can show change in some way. As UR is sudden in nature this is typical.
This can easily be seen in a chart by just being aware of uranus longitudal position in transit.


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3.
Sanjays death.

transiting Uranus is by taijika aspect squaring Ascendent. (Note UR on neaerly same degree as ascendent
at 27 degrees. Note UR almost at the cusp of the 5th houes of children. UR sudden nature is again showing it's power.
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4.
In Rajiv Gandhis chart when Sanjay died.

Transiting Uranus was in the 3rd house of younger brother.
Longitudal position of transiting UR at Sanjays death 28' Thula. (3rd house as Rajiv have Simha lagna)



5.
In Rajeev Gandhis chart transiting UR was transiting 4th house of mother when indira was murdered.
Note transiting UR in 4th house exactly opposite UR in 10th house.
(sudden event with mother affecting his career). see chart below.
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That was some charts from a study of the Gandhi family.

I remember also that thead on another forum I did look into Bill Clintons and Monica Lewinsky scandal.
These charts are on my computer. As when the scandal was emerging transiting UR was in Makar.
As Both Clinton and Lewinsky have a Kana lagna this means that transiting UR is in boths 5th house of romance.
When the scandal was going public transit UR was a 14 degree Makar. IN 5th house exaxtly to the degree
Opposing Clintons lagna lord Mercury at 14 degree Karka.
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Monica lewinskys chart.

Transiting UR in 5th house Makar.

First kiss with Clinton was in dasha SUN-VENUS.
(Interesting that venus is in royal nakshatra magha (throne room)
Sun in saturns nakshatra leads to 10th house (president)
Venus in ketu nakshatra leads to 10th house again in the dasha.
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Post by janaki » 29 Oct 2012

Hello Jan,
Thanks for sharing the horoscopes of Gandhi family.
Uranus in the 7th house definitely shows a partner who lives life by his/her rules. If he is well placed in 7th it could give a happy life (not considering other planet's effects).
Uranus in 7th could also show a relationship which is out of ordinary as he doesnt like traditions. e.g. some people have a live in relation without getting married

As he stays almost of 7 years in one rashi its not easy to predict the transit effects.
I have seen Uranus mostly in guy's chart ascendent than girl's. In a way its good for girls not to have whimsical nature :D

I am still in a learning stage but these are just based on observations which I came across.

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[quoteUranus in 7th could also show a relationship which is out of ordinary as he doesnt like traditions. e.g. some people have a live in relation without getting married][/quote]

Yes an urthodox marriage. Feroze was not only of different culture and also an independent type of
being, but the marriage itself was of an uranian nature with interruptions as they had a long break for several years when not living together.

http://www.iloveindia.com/indian-heroes ... index.html
"The couple separated for a number of years during the 1950s as Feroze Gandhi launched his own political career in Parliament and was often at odds with Jawaharlal Nehru's policies and style".

Probably in Indiras Rahu dasha as Rahu is placed in the 6th house of separation with Venus karaka for love and marriage ?

As he stays almost of 7 years in one rashi its not easy to predict the transit effects.
Yes, mainly a sort of background effect that becomes more tangible when UR makes some aspect to something in the chart.
Generally it have a tendency to influence the house to be more inclined to new progressive ventures or sudden events.

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Post by Jan » 29 Oct 2012

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I checked a bit more about the marriage.( I love astrological research) :)

"The marriage was faltering and, in 1949, Indira and the two sons moved to Delhi to live with Jawaharlal, ostensibly so that Indira could assist her father in his duties, acting as official hostess, and helping run the huge residence. Meanwhile, Feroze continued alone in Lucknow. In 1952, Indira helped Feroze manage his campaign for elections to the first Parliament of India from Rae Bareli"

Indeed it was In Rahu dasha. Rahu in 6th house With venus.

Even better ! I see now it was Rahu-Venus running dasha. Both in 6th house of separation.

I checking transiting Uranus .
Uranus was opposing Rahu her dasha planet that year. Putting stress in Rahu.

( And noticing that transiting Pluto is hovering around 21 degree cancer that year in 1949.
At 21 degree cancer is located Saturn Indiras 7th lord.
See above in another post that when feroze got his first heart attack transiting UR was on her saturn degree).

The outers are in my opinion often invisible due to slowness but when hitting closely there is often strong effects).


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Post by Jan » 29 Oct 2012

Janaki wrote:
Thanks for sharing this information. Its really interesting. Please see the following quote from the same article your have posted.

"Narendra Desai felt that Uranus was a higher octave of Mercury, the god of creative intellect. He said that a prominent Uranus was often seen in the chart of a good astrologer."

I started the forum with the same query, role of uranus in astrologer's chart. Basic maths comes under mercury whereas advanced maths, international financial transactions, Nuclear innovations are governed by Uranus.
I decided to look at one of the most prominent astrologers chart.
Here is the chart of KN RAO.
He have a very close aspect between Mercury and Uranus. This is a sign of having great intuition and a sense of just Knowing things from the higher mind.

"When Mercury connects to Uranus the principle of logical thinking is connected to intuition and invention. Uranus is universal mind energy, and as such is known as the higher octave of Mercury. The Mercury-Uranus native is more often than not an original thinker who chooses unique and highly individualized methods of communication. This aspect, if you possess it, gives you a certain quality of genius. Some people possessing a powerful Mercury-Uranus aspect are so forward and advanced in their thinking compared to the rest of us that we are at a loss to understand them. If you have ever attempted to read the work of Stephen Hawking, the great physicist and cosmologist, you will have an idea of where the Mercury-Uranus person is coming from .

I think the hallmark of Kn Rao's astrological skill is his great intuiton and knowing. His connection to the higher mind. Also his willingness to invent new techniques and update old techniques in a way that makes them work in reality. His inventive handling of Jaimini techniques and dashas for example.

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Post by janaki » 30 Oct 2012

Jan,
It looks like personal life for Indira G was quite challenging.

"When Mercury connects to Uranus the principle of logical thinking is connected to intuition and invention. Uranus is universal mind energy, and as such is known as the higher octave of Mercury. The Mercury-Uranus native is more often than not an original thinker who chooses unique and highly individualized methods of communication. This aspect, if you possess it, gives you a certain quality of genius. Some people possessing a powerful Mercury-Uranus aspect are so forward and advanced in their thinking compared to the rest of us that we are at a loss to understand them. If you have ever attempted to read the work of Stephen Hawking, the great physicist and cosmologist, you will have an idea of where the Mercury-Uranus person is coming from ."

This is an interesting theory. His mercury is also exalted.
I would also expect Uranus in Ascendent, 5th house should also help native to be extraordinary.

I have read it somewhere when uranus is conjuct with a planet, it increases its energy level.
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Re: Astrologer and Role of Uranus

Post by Anandham » 07 Aug 2013

Janaki, I am not sure you post around here often these days, but I found this thread on Uranus quite interesting.
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