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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 11 Mar 2018

Hi Learned Members

I read with interest one of the posts about Saturn in Libra being a fool and a back biter.

In this forum, most of the astrologers subscribe to the fact that functional lordship of a planet takes up 80% of the relevent material or spiritual agenda of a planet, or any actions of a person that would affect his material or spiritual well-being, ie. in short his fate.

And which causes a person's character, action or outcome to degenerate? It would be the dustha lords strong, unmitigated and / or casting aspectual influence everywhere.

Include Pluto for Scorpio. Uranus for Aquarius, Neptune for Pisces, Chiron for Sagittarius. Rahu and Ketu has special rules for them, as you know, like they tend to turn into the planet ruling the sign in which they are placed during their dasa, so we would leave them out from this thread.

Here are some of the dicta about the dusthana lords getting out of control :

1 12th lord for underhandedness and imprisonment, 8th lord for violence and murder, 6th lord for litigations and looking for trouble.

2 Dusthana lord in its own sign in a dusthana. Mercury being exalted and ruling Virgo in a dusthana, takes the cake as it is both ruling and exalted in Virgo.

3 Dusthana lord in a non-dusthana house if not debilitated. Even Meryl Streep with Saturn ruling 7th and 8th sitting on the 2nd of attitude, speech and behaviour, even though she has 7th with debilitated 6th lord Jupiter but she still has 8th effects to contend with, is widely criticised for her harsh speech of Donald Trump and exalting herself, by the rest of her peers. Her Pluto ruling the 5th sitting on the Ascendant saves the day.

To be continued .......

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4 Dusthna lord in a dusthana house, if casting a lot of aspects everywhere, causes damages to other various areas of the chart, while overcoming obstacles.

5 A non-dusthana lord in a dustha house. Possible MITIGATIONS would be if it is a yogakaraka, the planet is BOTH 9th lord AND the planet is exalted etc. Otherwise there will be damages.

6 A dusthana lord sitting together with a non-dusthana lord. The non-dusthana lord gets damaged.

7 Two dusthana lords placed together in a non-dusthana is very bad for the bhava in which they are placed. Here two negatives even if they become positive, do not become positive overnight. Because here the pure bad planetary energies impinge on each other, without the intermediary factor of lordship ie. bhavas circumscribed area of influence, so the bad energies can get spiral upwards before everthing settles to the benefit of the native. No great panacea for the native, even if the native manages to reach the opposite shore line.

If one of the dusthana lords happens to rules a trine as well, it is usually the dusthana aspect that gets emphasised, with the trinal effects being washed ashore as flotsam.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 11 Mar 2018

Oh yes, 3rd lord for bully.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 11 Mar 2018

Let's give a counter example chart, the chart of a billionaire, which does not exemplify dusthana effects, to make the points in this thread more stark.

Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of Facebook.

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

His Sun ruling the 8th (with no Vipareet Raja Yoga) is in the 4th. But Mercury and Venus, the two best planets for a Capricorn Ascendant, ruling 9th and 5th respectively, is there, notwithstanding they may be combusted (I have not scrutinised the degrees yet to determine the extent of the combustion).

The dispositor Mars ruling 4th and 11th sits on the 10th, with Moon ruling 7th, Pluto ruling 11th, and Saturn ruling 1st and 2nd in Libra. Venus cast a full aspect on its own sign for which this stellium of planets are sitting. Venus and Mars exchange signs in the 4th-10th axis. Fantastic.

Rahu and Ketu on the 5th-11th axis with Rahu exalted in a yogakaraka Venusian sign and Ketu also in exaltation in a money lord Martian sign. Uranus, also exalted in Scorpio, sits together with Ketu in the 11th and rules the 2nd.

Neptune ruling Pisces overlaying the 3rd bhava, sits on 12th, a Vipareet Raja Yoga, but then casting a full aspect on the stellium of planets in the 4th. This account for the parting of ways and dissolving of the partnership between him and his original co-founding facebook partner.

Neptune is a soft planet which softens the 3rd, and likes where it is sitting on the 12th, so no real damage was done.

Jupiter in its own sign in the 12th. This is one exception to the general rule above that planet in its own sign in a dusthana may spiral up the dusthana effects. Jupiter here protects the Ascendant.

(The other exception is when a planet ruling a 5th sits on the 8th in its own sign which makes the person an armchair professor. No real disaster can touch him.)

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 11 Mar 2018

Chiron rulung Saittarius sits on the 5th. Since 12th has its malefic effects cancelled by Jupiter and Neptune, Chiron causes no damage sitting on the 5th.

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Post by GNE » 11 Mar 2018

Where are they/you getting the birthtime from?
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Zuckerberg,_Mark

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 12 Mar 2018

Let's look at Jeffrey P Bezos chart.

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As of March 2018, Jeffrey assets and wealth is worth about 126 billion US dollars, far surpassing Bill Gate's 90 US billion dollars.

His current surge of wealth is due to his Rahu dasa which is is in Gemini and hence also calls in Mercury's energy in the 10th. He is Amazon CEO.

Venus gets a Vipareet Raja Yoga by ruling 2 dusthanas and sitting on the 12th. Not only that, Venus in the 12th indicates prosperity and is in KUBERA shashtiamsa.

Saturn ruling 11th of gains and the good 12th of prosperity sits on the 11th with Mars in its own sign who happens to rule the house of fortune 9th and the 2nd house of bank account. Even kubera does not have it so good.

Uranus ruling 12th sits on the 6th, another Vipareet Raja Yoga. Together with it is Pluto ruling the 9th of fortune.

The overall prosperity spearheading 6th which rules lending money for investment like what he is doing currently buying up several small companies for Amazon, is ruled by the Sun which sits on the 10th. Together with Sun in the 10th is Mercury ruling 4th of investment by a small proprietor, in this Jeffrey making the investment decisions himself, and also ruling the 7th of big business (he is building up a conglomerate of small companies with him as director). The 10th also has Ketu which takes on Jupiter's sign of Sagittarius and Moon is in the 10th too ruling the 5th. The 10th with Sun and Moon there with Mercury and Ketu, causes several Yoga through the combination of kendra lords, trinal lords and the 9th lord of the 10th which is the Sun.

The dispositor of the 10th is Jupiter which sits on the 1st in digbala in its own sign.

The other ruler of Pisces is Neptune sitting on the 8th, which is a good 8th because of Venus Vipareet Raja Yoga.

If you add up his alphabet numbers of his name, the toal comes up to 63 of his compound number. What do the sages say about the number 63?

This number is indicative of prosperity and shows someone who is a good detective. This shows he makes all the right moves of his investment decisions.

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Post by rathore » 12 Mar 2018

Mac 😜😜

Jeff's time of birth is not known. plus I can say with about 100% surety that he is Virgo Ascendant. Without T.O.B any analysis is just a shot in the dark.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 13 Mar 2018

I just received Michael Laughrin's Feb/Mar newsletter. He has an article on being a psychic with several sample charts one of which is Shirley Maclaine. But we will analyse her chart based on the topic of this thread, which is overcoming dusthana. Shirley Maclaine as you know, is also an actress.

She has Virgo Ascendant, Jupiter in 1st, retrogade. Moon and retrogade Neptune in 12th, Rahu-Ketu on the 5th-11th axis ALONE, Pluto in 10th, Mercury in 7th, Sun exalted and Mars ruling Aires in the 8th with Uranus in the 8th, Chiron in the 9th and Venus and Saturn in the 6th.

To be continued........

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 13 Mar 2018

Rathore, what happened to Anuradha?

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 13 Mar 2018

Jupiter and Mercury, each both ruling 2 kendras for a Virgo Ascendant, each sits on a kendra. Pluto ruling the 3rd also sits on a kendra. She is a STRONG, STRONG woman as evidenced by the films she acted like Terms of Endearment and Irma la Douce?

Neptune ruling 7th with Moon ruling 11th goes to the 12th. These are psychic planets and 12th is a psychic house. 7th and 11th are luxury houses. Most of her wealth comes from the psychic business. 8th and 12th gets Vipareet Raja Yoga, with the Sun ruling 12th going into the 8th and Sun is exalted. 6th and 8th gets Vipareet Raja Yoga with Uranus ruling 6th going into the 8th. Mars in its own sign in the 8th thus gets mitigated by the prsence of Sun and Uranus. The Moon and Venus in the 12th also gets a panacea from the Vipareet Raja Yoga between the 8th and the 12th.

Saturn is a 5th lord and Venus is a 9th lord combining together in the 6th shows no real problem. In fact anyone who wants to ride roughshod her bettet get himself or herself well prepared, for he is going to be in for a bumpy ride.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 13 Mar 2018

I forgot to mention that although Mercury is debilitated, mercury and Jupiter exchanges signs on the 1st-7th axis, granting her extraordinary freedom in dealing with people.

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Post by Gouri199 » 14 Mar 2018

Dear khoo hock Leong & Dear Rathore sir ,

1)
What if ven being 8 th & 3rd lord in 2 nd and is
aspecting jupiter in 8th house for pisces ascendant ?

2)Moreover 6th lord sun in 3rd with 7th lord mercury ?

birth details are
1.6.82 , @2:30 a.m. 16N59 , 74 E7 +5.5 Male .

pls. guide regarding sir,

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 14 Mar 2018

For P Bezos chart, even if his birth time is unknown, astrologers do agree we can cast the chart at 12 noon. Why? Because this is is the time when the Sun is at the zenith of the sky, and everything gets illuminated. It is like taking the Sun as the Ascendant as advocated by Parasara, but in addition, you stick the Sun at the mid-heaven. Parasara allows the astrologer to add to his teachings, but one must do so intelligently, as also agreed by him, for the creative reader of his scripture.

Of course, you try to interpret and if the planets corroborate what the individual experiences in real life, then it is not a totally a shot in the dark. This is a very important point that must be borned in mind for astrology.

Let's now look at Tom Hank's chart.

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

His kendra only has 2 planets, Sun and Mercury in Gemini. Although Mercury rules his Ascendant and 10th, granting him a very good reputation, he is a very nice guy and gets things done, and also sits in the board of governors for the Academy Award under the actors' branch, his 12th Lord Sun in the 10th sticks out like a sore thumb.

His Mars ruling 2 dusthanas 3rd and the 8th, sits on the 6th, causing Vipareet Raja Yoga. So the malefic effects of the 6th, 8th and 3rd are mitigated.

But Mars is aspecting the 12th and the 9th, two groups of stellium of planets. Did it cause any damage while Mars is fighting his way through?

The thing is Saturn ruling 5th and 6th, is also aspecting the 12th and the 9th and Saturn sits on the 3rd, another Vipareet Raja Yoga, plus it has a couple of cash to spare, by being ruler of the 5th trine house, the 2nd best house in the vedic chart. So negative +negative becomes positive.

Plus Saturn and Mars exchange sign so they see eye to eye in overcoming all these dusthanas.

Pluto plays a supporting role in the background by ruling the minor dusthana of the 3rd and going into the 12th, another Vipareet Raja Yoga. Although at first blush it may look lop-sided with some negatives left over since 3rd is a minor dusthana but 12th is a major dusthana, but Pluto is dispositing a trine lord Saturn who is also exchanging with Mars mentioned earlier, and this exchange impinges on Pluto via aspect, before and after the exchange.

So the 12th gets cleared as well and the Sun is actually ruling a good 12th.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 14 Mar 2018

Tom Hanks Chiron ruling Sagittarius of the 4th sits on the 5th causing a Raja Yoga.

By the way Chiron is exalted in Virgo which rules lameness.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 14 Mar 2018

Also note.

When a planet undergoes a Vipareet Raja Yoga and it aspects some planet(s) in a dusthana, it actually gives positives. This is the case for Tom Hanks' planets in the 12th house above. Negative plus negative gives positive.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 14 Mar 2018

Now Saturn is ruling the 5th of children. With Saturn involving in the thick of things of dusthanas, the resources of the 5th is used up to a large extent.

Tom Hanks second son Chet Hanks suffer from drug addiction but his life is now slowly turned around due to the birth of his son.

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Post by Gouri199 » 14 Mar 2018

Dear khoo and rathore sir pls reply

what if ven being 8th lord in 2 nd and is aspecting
jupiter (LL)

Also Lord of 6th (sun) and 7th lord ( mercury ) are
in close conjunction in 3rd .?

Details are

1.6.82 @2:30 a.m. 16N59, 74E7 +5.5 male

pls reply will he ever get married ?

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 15 Mar 2018

Other points to note for this thread.

Retrogade planets are super strong, for better or for worse, depending on their functional rulership. They give results of the previous house first, then the houses which they occupy. Retrogade Saturn is the other way round. The obstacles of the house where it is placed must be overcomed first, before the duties of the previous house can be shouldered. Thus 2 houses, whether dusthanas or not, gets the effects of the functional rulerships which the planet brings with it. This can create some intersting and rather complicated scenarios.

The other factor to consider for a retrogade planet is that the NEXT house planet would play an important role in how the retrogade planet would tackle the affairs of the previous house.

Note exaltation of a planet ruling a good non-dusthana house gives good results but for a planet ruling a dusthana, unless it has Vipareet Raja Yoga, it gives awakening and generally initially, there is some ordeal but the person bounces back (but reiterating, Vipareet Raja Yoga is a different ball game altogether).

Retrogading outer planets are best when they are furthest from the Sun. Retrogading inner planets are best when they are retrogading towards the Sun ie. when they are retrogading and at a higher degree than the Sun. Combustion is not a factor to be considered in this case, as their power gets boosted from the Sun's rays.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 15 Mar 2018

Note that the point about whether retrogade planets change its status from exalted to debilitated or vice versa is not that important even if acknowledged by some scriptures.

What you need to realise is that a planet's strength is calculated from its Shadbala and one of them is motional strength. Retrogade planets are moving at its slowest. Sign strength is also another strength in the Shadbala calculation.

Then tying these individual strengths to each planet's functional lordship is the subject of this thread.

This whole thread is just trying to tell you how important functional lordship is.

Also the retrogading planet's placment house, there is some tracing back of the path treaded, which may include seeking spirituality. Same thing with the planet's directing its previous energy to the previous house (it is 12th to the current house which the retrogade planet is placed), there is some seeking of spirituality involved.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 15 Mar 2018

The sign Virgo has known how to deal with his lameness and just carry on with his work. He makes the best of everything. That is why Chiron is exalted here which is unlike Sagittarius where Chiron rules, where the wounded centaur drags himself to the cave to heal his wound - mabye Sagittarius pet philosophy or whatever.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 15 Mar 2018

I was deciding as a toss-up to either write on the Vedic chart of Paul Newman, with his swashbuckling roles throughout the years like Hud, Cool Hand Luke, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Sting, The Verdict and Absence of Malice....or on Robert Redford who is a brilliant director and actor, and set up the Sundance Film Festival, in recognition of films that are labelled to be on the fringes, and not quite Hollywood Academy Award material. He won Best Director for Ordinary People, a film that portray the complexity of family relationships.

And suddenly I thought about Mary Tylre Moore who was nominated for Best Actress in Ordinary People. She was easily the best comediene in the 70s like Carol Burnett. But in Ordinary People, she portrayed a wife and mother, that has all the outward trappings of being able to lead a comfortable life and to succeed in it as well, but in the end, the movie shows her breaking down, discontented with both her son (Timothy Hutton) and husband (Donald Sutherland), and criticising the daily family ritual (in her opinion) that she has to endure. A psychological inadaptibility to the mundane life within one's family.

So she is both a comic and serious actress, and I want gain an extraordinary insight, to her sensitivity to the arts in portraying multifaceted character. Here is her chart :

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

To be continued ........

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She has Saturn on her Aquarius Ascendant ruling the 1st and 12th house. Saturn is a functional benefic for an Aquarius Ascendant, and ruling the 12th shows someone akin to getting to under the skin of any character she plays.

The 12th has Mercury and Venus combined, 5th and 9th lord respectively, no other planets, so her 12th house is extraordinary good. These are versatile planets with Mercury showing humour, Venus for glamour and Saturn which disposits these 2 planets, means she uses hard work to dig deep into any character she plays.

Her 12th house is thus good.

The 8th house is ruled by Mercury going into the 12th, a Vipareet Raja Yoga. Plus Mercury has the other trinal lord as his companion, Venus. So the 8th house is good too.

The Moon is in its own sign in the 6th which I mentioned in the early part of the thread, planets in their own signs in dusthanas do not cause removal of obstacles except under a few conditions. Here Mercury and Venus are aspecting the Moon, good trinal lords (note Parasara mentioned that Mercury may cause difficulties to the Aquarian Ascendant individual, but other places he did praise 5th lords generally and don't forget here Mercury is combining with the 9th lord).

I would add also Pluto which is there with the Moon, is ruling the highest kendra, the 10th, and 10th is 5th from the 6th, a trine. So Pluto helps with making the 6th good as well.

Mars ruling the minor dusthana, the 3rd produces no great challenges since :

1. It is sitting on the 9th the best house in the chart.
2. Sitting there, it does not spoil the 9th because 3rd is only a minor dusthana and the dispositor of the 9th, Venus, is combining with the 5th lord Mercury.
3. Mars is aspecting right back into the 3rd from a good house of the 9th.
4. Mars is also aspecting Mercury and Venus via the 4th aspect. This Martian 4th aspect teaches us lessons to be learnt, and in this case Mercury and Venus in the 12th translates into great acting, 12th being 10th to the 3rd of the arts.

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Post by rathore » 15 Mar 2018

Websites (not Astrologers) use 12 pm for unknown birthtimes because of common sense :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

For e.g. if you are asked to choose between 1 to 10 and each number is assigned dollars from either $1 to $10 OR $10 to $1 (but you don't know which) then common sense makes you choose #5 so you can get $5. Ignore anyone who said its because of Sun.

Without Birth time it is a shot in the dark because then you are looking at the chart of all people born that day, and even more so when you can study actual textbooks and confidently affix the Lagna in some of these cases (like Jeff's).

So can you prove with your skills that Jeff is a Pisces Lagna? Or have you already proven in the posts above that he is a Pisces Lagna? Or are you going to run away from this question?

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 16 Mar 2018

Ellen Degeneres, arguably one of the most famous talk show hosts in America where even Singapore a small city-state and not much attuned to the talk show culture acquires her talk show programme, has a Vedic chart which shows the Vipareet Raja Yoga in a unique way not found in any other charts. Let me show you what I mean. Here is her chart.

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

She has a Scorpio Ascendant, so Mercry and Mars each planet rules one dusthana sitting on the 2nd. Yet she is so good with talking that audience flock to see her and all celebrities want to be in her show and she gets on well with all celebrities.

Moon ruling 9th sits on the 5th and Jupiter rules 2nd 5th sitting on the 12th. This is a kind of unique special Vipareet Raja Yoga I was talking about. Jupiter here is cancelling the functional malefic effects of Mercury and Mars. She use her fast talking in good stead to put people at ease rather than to antoganise them. Jupiter, the planet of gentleness in the sign of balance of Libra, is calling the shots here.

Neptune also ruling the 5th is with Jupiter only alleviates the situation even more, and as I said in another celebrity chart I said earlier, Jupiter and Neptune likes to be in the 12th.

Venus ruling the 12th goes to the 3rd, another Vipareet Raja Yoga.

Saturn sitting on the Ascendant, rules a good 3rd and the 4th. 1st rules early life, like the 4th. 1st also rules life in general. Other than her parents getting divorced indicated by the 3rd ruled by Saturn being 12th to the 4th of family life, generally her life has been plain sailing.

Her Ascendant house of Scorpio, aside from Saturn sitting there (which is good as just mentioned), through the lord Mars and in turn the dispositor of Mars, Jupiter, also shows no real problem, as what was discussed under Vipareet Raja Yoga earlier. Scriptures allow the concept of dispositor of the dispositor, that is up to two links in a chain to guage effects.

6th house ruled by Mars also comes into the Vipareet Raja Yoga effect.

Rahu Ketu sitting on the 6th-12th axis, partakes the characteristic of Mars and Venus respectively whoe functional maleficity has been assuaged as just mentioned. Plus Rahu has several good planets sitting with it, they being good has already been discussed.

Uranus ruling 4th goes to the 9th. Ellen is extremely generous with her funds.

Pluto ruling the Ascendant as well, goes to the 10th, making her very famous.

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