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Re: Dusthana Lords - Keep Them at Bay Please

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 16 Mar 2018

Chiron ruling the 2nd goes to the 3rd. Another Vipareet Raja Yoga.



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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 16 Mar 2018

Rathore, I did not read entirely your rebuttal but I did catch a glimpse of the last part where you said if I am so skilful, and if the Ascendant is correct, can I predict something about the Ascendant.

In one of the Youtube videos, he gave an interview to the audience with his brother, and he indicated that his main motto in life and dictum for success, is that one must be kind to others. He has Jupiter in Pisces in the Ascendant.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 16 Mar 2018

About Rahu and Ketu :

In earlier posts we said that Rahu/Ketu behave like Rahu/Ketu during their non-dasa periods, and like the sign lord of the sign where they sits during their dasa period, invoking also that same planet in another area of the chart as well. The dictum holds, but the weights of various factors must be elucidated for each of the two conditions to make it clear.

DURING DASA PERIODS OF THE NODES
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During the dasa periods of the nodes, less obstruction takes place, whether the node is alone, node is conjuncting a planet in its own sign or conjuncting a planet not in its own sign, the various conditions stated ranked from the most desirable to the least desirable.

The nodes takes on the characteristic of the sign lord of the sign it is in in full fledge and secondarily, the planets it conjuncts, if any. Planets aspecting the nodes, the nodes do not partake their characteristics because they are shadowy planets.

For nodes alone, their positions in Nakshatras are also given less importance, because now the nodes have masked themselves so they are less effective in handling Nakshatra's mundane activities.

To be continued.......

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DURING NON-DASA PERIODS OF THE NODES
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The nodes behave like nodes and they cause more obstruction to the planets which they are conjuncting, but very much less if the planets are in their own signs.

Nodes alone, the Nakshatras which they are in are given more importance.

Nodes whether alone or not, are shadowy, and as such, they still partake the sign lord of the sign it is in, and secondarily the planets it conjuncts. But less so than during the dasa periods, but even then, it is more obstructive, as indicated in the 1st point in this section.

The signs they rule can be brought in in assessing their overall total assimilative effects. Their importance is secondary but should not be underestimated.

HENCE FROM THE ABOVE, one can see that a one-liner of their overall main effect, is their obstructivess unless during their dasa periods, and they partake the characteristic of the sign lord of the sign in which they are in.

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Post by rathore » 16 Mar 2018

:idea: :idea: Before any readers take this nonsense thread seriously, let me prove with conviction that Jeff Bezos is Virgo lagna i.e. opposite to what the thread claims (Pisces Lagna):

With Virgo Lagna he gets the classical Nabhash yogas called 'Sara Yog' which happens when all planets are in 4th to 7th house.

8) 8) Results: One born in Sara Yoga makes arrows, indulges in torture and mean handy works, earns through animals and is equal to a mad person.

One can see documentaries of Amazon (available on Youtube), and its warehouse is no more than a prison. The workers are put into extreme pressure for efficiency and have to run like crazy all day. Many (if not most of them) quit in their 20s itself because they just cannot handle it. Who heads that prison? Jeff Bezos.

One can also see the way Bezos laughs (look it up) and his attitude at work (in documentaries). One will arrive to the conclusion that he is equal to a mad person. And I guess you have to be that to run a company of the likes of Amazon. Obviously extreme pressure on employees is torture.

:arrow: :arrow: Now the 'Arrow' part. All shipment boxes of Amazon has a symbol of a curved arrow on them. That symbol is on the Amazon logo itself of course.

Obviously there are Pet supplies, Animal and Animal product listings on Amazon.

So did the Sara Yog come to pass? A resounding YES! :!: :!:

Can it be that he is not Virgo lagna but still the Sara yog type results came to pass? Yes, there is always a minor probability. But this post is just to show the readers to take Khoo's threads for entertainment value only (and not educational value). My stand in Astrology is that of separating the grain from the chaff. This thread is chaff.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 16 Mar 2018

The nodes placement in a house has some say in the matter as well, but since they partake the character of the sign lord of the sign in which they are placed, again this particular condition of placement on bhava mostly subsumes under the condition of placement in a sign, unlike normal planets.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 16 Mar 2018

Although the nodes do not partake the characteristic of the planets that aspects them (being shadowy, they do not absorb the rays that impinge on them), they are still affected by the rays that impinge on them cast by the aspecting planets

(just think, the rays would be casting on the sign where the nodes are placed ie. a sign aspect, and since the node partakes the characteristics of the sign it is placed, the aspecting planetary rays do affect them. Similar logic holds for planets that conjunct the nodes, and an aspecting planet cast rays on the planets the node conjuncts).

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

Let's look at Diane Keaton's birth chart.

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

Jupiter here is rising in Libra. A bubbly and refined person. Her 2nd which rules behaviour and person with Scorpio overlaying it, is ruled by Mars and Pluto, both of which sits on the 10th house. Mars also rules the 7th house of relationships and the social circles she moves in.

In Annie Hall where she won the Best Actress in 1977, she portrays a lively girl with a beautiful personality. But she has her own mind, and in the film, she calls the shots on how the relationship would go as well, much to the chagrin of Woody Allen. In real life, she always boasts she has many lovers, and which of the men she intend to pursue in the future.

Uranus ruling the 5th goes to the 8th softening the house evil impact. Thus Venus ruling the 1st and the 8th, cancels whatever remaining evil remnants of the 8th, by sitting on the minor dusthana of the 3rd (her stellium of planets in the 3rd shows her her versality in her career, 3rd being 6th of the 10th).

Neptune ruling 6th going to the 12th causes Vipareet Raja Yoga. Mercury thus is a very good planet for Diane, ruling the 9th and a good 12th.

Jupiter is another ruler of the 6th and since the Vipareet Raja Yoga just mentioned for Neptune is going from 6th to the 12th, the ruler of the 12th Mercury benefits, but not Jupiter.

But then Jupiter is exchanging sign with Venus, so Jupiter is concentrating largely its energy on the 3rd, the other house which it rules, and not the 6th. But 3rd has already turned good through Venus, and after the exchange Jupiter sits with a very good Mercury, a good Sun ruling the 11th and Ketu who just obey Jupiter in its own sign.

Diane revealed through her book she wrote that she is suffering from bulimia, a symptom of the 3rd which is 2nd of the 2nd dealing with food, with expansive planets Sun and Jupiter there with constrictive Ketu, which means vomitting out the food after eating it, all planets in the fiery sign Sagittarius, the last fire sign, which has a final say in the digestion process. The general karaka for digestion in the 3rd is Mars, a fiery planet, so a fire sign on the 3rd has some say on the digestion process.

But she got over it, thanks to all the planets involved in overcoming difficulties as just mentioned.

Chiron ruling Sagittaius of the 3rd goes to the 12th in Virgo exalted, a Vipareet Raja Yoga of a very good order, because of the exaltation. As Chiron rules the healing process, Diane was cured of her bulimia, thanks also to watery Neptune and the 12rh watery house which acts as a counter-balance to the fiery nature of the 3rd in her chart.

She is a very good author of a very high order with Moon ruling the 10th going to the 4th which in turn is disposited by Yogakaraka Saturn sitiing on a congenial sign of Gemini. Rahu sitting there in the 9th gives Saturn the necessary vision as well.

She is also a very good photographer, and aid her in being a director, shown by the Sun in the 3rd ruling 11th, the secondary house of career, 11th being 2nd to the 9th. Sun is the karaka for photography, especially when linked to the 3rd, the house of movies. Sun in the 3rd is also the sign of a movie director.

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Post by ADC » 17 Mar 2018

Exchange of Lagna lord Venus and 3rd Lord Jupiter. 3H is the house of talent and self effort and 3H has many Rajyoga . Mercury is nata[ Dancer, actor] under many Rajyoga in the house of talent.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

Here is Steven Spielberg's chart :

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

He has Mrigasira rising. This nakshatra denotes someone who likes to wander in new places or situations and explore, ending up some good finds or bargains like in a bazaar shop. In Steven Spielberg's case it applies to ideas for his films, which runs the gamut of science fiction, political thrillers, war movies to suspense thrillers like Jaws or swashbuckling movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

He has Ketu in the 6th which gives him a fantastic appetite for work which combined with Mercury lends a divine touch to all the work he does, or to put it in another ways, films that stand out and defy the ordinary.

Mars rule 6th and combine with the 3rd ruler Sun, two lords ruling dusthanas sitting in the kendra house of relationships. Steven Spielberg is someone who stand no nonsense when doing work. He can be quite fiery when close relationships are concerned....but only for a moment because Jupiter the dispositor of the 7th sits on the 5th and Jupiter rules the 10th of idealism but here in a benign way as it is the planet Jupiter.

Jupiter is in Libra with Venus and the Moon. Moon rules the 2nd signifying someone metaphorically speaking, who likes to feed the masses. Venus in its own sign Libra shows someone who is full of love for others, cultivating protegees wherever he goes (this is a different kind of love from Venus in the 12th which can be self-sacrificing). He is romantic by nature, and in his younger days, I am sure many girls fall for him, because of his charming and unassuming ways.

The dusthana effects of the Sun and Mars combined in the 7th is thus cancelled and so is the evil effects of the 3rd and the 6th, via the dispositor of the dispositor concept.

Venus is in such a sterling position that any 12th house malefic effects is also cancelled, although in this case Venus is concentrating primarily on its task of the 5th, since it is sitting in the 5th in its own sign. But no worries, Uranus to the rescue. This is because Uranus ruling 9th, the best house in the Vedic Chart goes to the 12th with an exalted Rahu in Taurus sitting with it as well.

His 8th house is ruled by the other 9th lord Saturn, which is not so bad, but it sits in the 2nd with Pluto ruling the 6th. He is a man not given to social discourses unless necessary. But Moon rules the 2nd and is in a superlative position in the 5th with Venus and Jupiter. Moon and Venus are water planets and Jupiter can be watery, so he overcame his handicap and became more verbose as the years go by but still the strong silent type still linger over his personal aura ie. his Saturn and Pluto conjunction is softened. The 6th and 8th evil effects are thus also cancelled to a large extent via the dispositor of the dispositor concept.

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Post by GNE » 17 Mar 2018

HA!
Khoo you said to rathore that because Jeff Bezos said one of his motto's is that one must be kind to others. = that means he has Jupiter in Pisces in the Ascendant.

I know many people who share the same motto and they do not have jupiter in pisces ascendant or ruling the ascendant at all. This is just the lamest reason for "rectifying" a chart.
Saying he's pisces lagna because of that is like saying if any one shows they are angry they have proven they have mars in lagna. Or someone who says they believe in doing charity and sharing what they earn cannot have any lagna besides pisces, etc.

Also, Rathore (or anyone) could find some quote somewhere with Jeff saying some business motto that comes across more like a Capricorn (for example) then tell you that proved he is a capricorn lagna, because of what he said he believes in.

And I thought it was common knowledge that when a birthtime is not confirmed, websites use 12 noon.

Also, dusthana effect of sun+mars in spielberg's 7th couldn't have been totally cancelled... He went through one of the most costly divorces in hollywood history at the time with Amy Irving, after only about 3 years.
Sure, we can find good effects related to 7th house as well, but I want readers to see that the dusthana lords did not totally cancel all dusthana/negative effects out when it comes to their placement.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

Here is Barbara Streisand's birth chart.

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

Her Mars ruling 2nd and the 9th, sits on the 4th. Her home is one of its kind, built to her design fancy and knowledge. Mercury ruling 4th and 7th goes to the 2nd of texture of cloths, colour schemes (the 9 jewels of Vedic comes under the 2nd). She has a passion for design, in this case, the home, and she published a book on this subject matter to satisfy this craving of hers.

Venus is in the 12th ruling dusthanas 3rd and the 8th.. Venus here grants prosperity PROVIDED Saturn is at the same time not conjuncting it in the 12th nor Venus is in a Saturnian sign. But here Venus exchanges sign with Uranus and Saturn, all the planets initially placed in dusthanas which means after the exchange they are still in dusthanas. More than 1 Vipareet Raja Yoga operating between the 3rd and the 12th.

Hence, 12th, 3rd and 8th dusthana effects get cancelled.

Rahu in thr 6th. A powerhouse. The Sun ruling it sits on the 2nd which in turn is disposited by the 9th lord Mars. So also no problem.

Exchanges between the 3rd and 12th usually shows an artistic genius like in the case of Barbara Streisand.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

Barbara Streisand also has an exchange of the lords 2nd and 4th giving her a home of opulence.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

Her Chiron ruling the 10th plomps into her 5th. She is very creative where her career is concerned. Jupiter is a male planet and Moon and Venus are female planets. Chiron is healing. These are the stellium of planets found in the 5th standing for intelligence, and by inference, also education, karaka for intelligence of the 5th being Mercury and for education of the 5th being Jupiter (besides 9th). Jupiter is also the Sthira Karaka for traditional communities.

In the movie Yentl where she both acted and directed, she masqueraded as a man to tide over some inadequecies in a certain period, in fact to get an education which was not given to girls in Russia for that community, after which the situation was healed ie. she got her education.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

Note in the above, the movie was more on education rather than on the theme of intelligence like IQ, because Mercury is not found in the 5th but Jupiter is.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

In fact, counting the same number of houses say n, from the functional ruler planet ruling the nth house in a chart, lands you in a house which also stands for the same thing, rather than counting it from the Sthira Karaka.

So for example Saturn as a Sthira (fixed) Karaka stands for disease, so unless Saturn rules the 6th or is found in the 6th or aspects the 6th, the effects would be more potent if you count 6 houses from the functional ruler of the 6th in the chart.

Bhava Karaka general potency is at the same level as Sthira Karaka and the criteria to determine its potency is also the same as Sthira Karaka. Bhava Karaka and Sthira Karaka can be different, however, but seldom.

Now after counting, you can then mix what the interpretation stands for with what the said original destnation house stands for (counting from the Lagna, that is).

So for example my Mars rules the 5th for intelligence sits on the 10th. Counting 5 from the 10th, it lands on the 2nd. 2nd house from Lagna stands for inner talents and handling your personal finance like budgeting. So I am multi-talented and can budget my own money...but bear in mind Mars is spendthrift.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 17 Mar 2018

For retrogade planets, remember to reverse the aspects. The counting of houses from the functional karaka to determine significations as just discussed would also be correspondingly reversed.

Also if it already has slipped into the previous house at the date of birth, don't try to put it further into the next previous house again. For such planets, take it that the previous house (where the retrogade planet has slipped into) agenda is so important to the planet, it has forgotten its supposedly current house in which it is placed for this current lifetime. Saturn would give delay results for this house as opposed to the other planets just like when the planets are not retrogading.

How about the nodes? They always retrogade and since Ketu signification is to collect all past life karma to be experienced in this lifetime, holding back those karma that grants final victory which Ketu would be directly in charge, and Rahu would take the remaining karma, and distribute it where it deems fit, meaning they don't have to go to the previous house to clean up previous karma, plus they are shadowy and weightless, there is no need to plomp them to the previous house. Weightless meaning no counter-force exertion, to pull it to the previous house.

In cases when they turn direct sometimes and there are no other retrogade planets, take it that the person has exhausted all his past life karma, and how he leads his current life would solely determine moksha, or if he wish, to attain the lokas of the deity of his choice.

Always take the nodes' true positions just like any other planets and not their average positions over a period of time with the excuse that this has to be done because they are shadowy, and this method would give a more accurate assessment of their position.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 18 Mar 2018

Here is the chart of Michael Caine :

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

Another chart with Mrigasira rising. He played various roles (just like Steven Spielberg directed various gendre of movies, the other Mrigasira rsing talked about in this thread) from the playboy in Alfie in the mid-60s to the doctor in Cider House rules and to the hidden support given to Batman in the Dark Night Series. He is famous, winning two Best Supporting Actors for California Suite in 1979 as the husband of Maggie Smith and for The Cider House Rules.

But although he played authoritative positions in spy thrillers and political intrigues as well, he has never had quite the leading man persona like Christian Bale, Tom Cruise, Daniel Day Lewis or even Anothony Hopkins. His Dusthanas lords are cleared by :

(1) sitting on the Apoklima trine of the 9th, for Venus the 12th lord
(2) Pluto ruling 6th sits on the Ascendant, a kendra and trine, but dusthana effects are mitigated by the dispositor Mercury in the 10th, with 3rd lord Sun there exchanging with Jupiter ruling 7th and 10th itself and Uranus also in 10th, ruling the 9th. So he is famous.
(3) Mars ruling 6th sits on the 3rd with Sun in Leo and Ketu and Neptune ruling the 10th. The last, Neptune, dampen his further fame by brining the 10th house affairs into the Apoklima 3rd, with all the natural malefics surrounding it, denoting much effort required to obtain success
(4) Saturn rules 8th and 9th and sits on the 8th. Here the dusthana effects of the 8th are mitigated because Saturn is dispositing Venus the 5th lord and also the 12th lord which Venus can handle well and Rahu well placed in Aquarius, both planets sitting on the 9th, Rahu being considered as a shadowy planet. 8th is a hidden house.
(5) Chiron ruling the 7th house of public goes to the 12th of recluses. But it is not malefic as it is disposited by 5th lord Venus, sitting on the 9th.

He is thus famous, but not that influential in the acting circle.

P.S. When Jude Law made the remake of Alfie, hardly any of the movie reviewers mentioned the original made in the 60s starring Michael Caine. His win for Cider House Rules was snubbed by most people as his most unworthy performance, compared with the other movies he made.

If his planets had gained a strong Vipareet Raja Yoga, pure with no natural malefics sitting with it, then that is a different picture altogether, unlike for Mars in his case, the only Vipareet Raja Yoga he has for the 6th. And the 6th has to contend with the other co-ruler Pluto for Scorpio, sitting on the Ascendant. Most of his dusthanas are cleared by dispositorships but sitting on either Apoklimas or Moksha houses, but very good mitigating factors like Saturn dispositing Venus the 5th sitting on 9th, even though Saturn is in the 8th.

Which is why a good Viparret Raja Yoga, can give confer kingship if properly formed, notwithstanding the planet involved goes into another dusthana, unlike through ordinary dispositorship via Apoklimas and Moksha houses.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 20 Mar 2018

Neptune is exalted in Cancer, the sea of emotions and the divine. This is a psychic position and someone who has a soft spot for the homeless or downtrodden.

Uranus is exalted in Scorpio, inner transfornation of the self in a revolutionary sort of way. It gives a unique personality and a different way of looking at things.

Pluto is exalted in Leo, ruling atomic power and self-mastery, giving far flung leadership in one's chosen field as well as society in general. The person can be dictatorial.

Pluto is very powerful in Virgo, where no effort is spared towards perfection in all matters. The sharpness of their criticality is marked. The person can be hard to get along.

Pluto in Cancer is very strong. It makes the person seek justice and fairness to all, which may cause displeasure to those that are strongly conservative in society.

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Post by ADC » 20 Mar 2018

Again the Rajyogas in 3H. 10L and 9L are aspecting each other at 3-9 axis. 3L [ Sun] and 10L[Jupiter] are under sign exchange. Mercury in 10H with Sun the 3rd lord. So both 3H and 3rd lord are prominent again. 3H is the house of talent and Mercury[ Actor]

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 20 Mar 2018

The detriment is the sign opposite from the sign which the planet rules. Tropical Astrology using tropical signs tend to give more emphasis on the detriment of a sign. But the concept of detriment of a sign in Vedic Astrology using sidereal signs still works.

The detriment of the three most outer planets tend to disrupt society in general if you consider via tropical signs. If you consider via sidereal signs, certain undesirable characteristics are stamped on the individual.

Uranus is detriment in Tropical Leo. It leads to avant garde establishments and fads springing up everywhere, and as quickly dies down.

Uranus is detriment in Sidereal Leo. The person is rather effervescent in his interests and hobbies.

Neptune is detriment in Tropical Virgo where the psychic propensity of Neptune spreads to the field of employment in Virgo which requres precision instead - just like when you are employed, you need a contract, you need supervision to a certain extent, certain rules and regulation needs to be complied with etc. Thus Neptune in Tropical Virgo causes widespread unemployment.

Neptune is detriment in Sidereal Virgo. It causes the person to hang onto a job that has outworn its usefulness to the person, for example his interests and proclivities may have changed. Or it may cause the person to float from job to job without any anchorage. Thus Neptune in Sidereal Virgo causes dissatisfaction with employment.

Pluto is detriment in Tropical Taurus where the strictures and rules of society keeps undergoing transformation resulting in no stability.

Pluto is detriment in Sidereal Taurus which may hamper the person's some measure of his stablity to enjoy the fruits of his labour in an extended period of time.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 20 Mar 2018

Tom Cruise birth chart is rather easy to analyze.

http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp

Another Mrigasira rising. Even before Top Gun in 1986 which launched him to stardom, Tom Cruise has been acting in several teenage shows. He can act in dramatic shows like Born in the 4th of July, or Science Fiction Movies like Minority report and Oblivion, supporting cast to a great star like Dustin Hoffman in Rainman, a samurai flick The Last Samurai, movies which question the meaning of life cum romance, science fiction and psychological thriller like Vanilla Sky, Adult Movies like Eyes Wide Shut, futuristic movie War of the Worlds or the adventure series Mission Impossible.

His Sun ruling the 3rd goes to the 1st which in turn is disposited by Mercury in the 12th. So to a certain extent the dusthan effects of 3rd and 12th are cancelled, with the Ascendant, the intermediary house, saved as well - Tom is a bit quirky in terms of character, but ultimately a fine upright man.

Mars ruling 6th goes to the 12th, another Vipareet Raja Yoga, and also contacting Mercury, a dusthana lord in a dusthana, further alleviating Mercury's dusthana effects,

Pluto ruling 6th goes to the 3rd, a Vipareet Raja Yoga, sitting with Uranus ruling the 9th. Mars which as just mentioned underging a Vipareet Raja Yoga, cast a 4th aspect to the dusthana 3rd, further mitigating any dusthana effects of the 3rd.

With so many rectifications of the evil effects of the 3rd, Sun ruling 3rd sitting on the 1st instead of causing problem like being a bully (but sometimes he can be irascible), makes him a cult status hero like the Mission Impossible series.

Neptune ruling 10th goes to the 5th. He spends a lot of time musing (characteristic of Neptune) how he can imbue more creativity to the shows he acts.

Venus ruling 5th and the good 12th sits on 2nd with the Moon in its own sign with Rahu whic just follow the dictates of the Moon because it is the strongest planet in 2nd. So he is fabulously rich - two water planets with Rahu to magnify it.

Jupiter ruling 7th and 10th, the houses of prestige, goes to the 9th of dharma and fortune. Tom is a likeable personality worldwide and in the hollywood circle.

But Jupiter in turn is disposited by Saturn in the 8th in its own sign which does not cause much problem in the 8th as Saturn is also ruling 9th whic has a Rajayoga (kendra lord sitting in a trine).

Chiron ruling 7th, goes to the 9th, further adding to his booster.

Nevertheless thr 9th lord sitting in the 8th, other than Jupiter, causes Tom although famouse, but not in the same league as actors who are potential Oscar winners. Ketu is moreover in the 8th, which is somewhat like a bind in one's fate, a threshhold as to how much one can achieve (more so because it is with Saturn as well). Usually when Rahu-Ketu are in the 2nd-8th axis respectively, if Rahu is stronger in the 2nd, no limits at all, but here 2nd and 8th both have planets sitting in their own sign with Rahu-Ketu together with them.

The above also shows how important the 9th house is to a person's fame and well-being.
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But Tom is famous. He is one of the very few actors currently above 50s ie. born on 1967 and before, to have visited Singapore.

Why not we try looking athe chart fro another angle using nadi astrology?

Discounting the houses (bhavas) and all the outer planets, we concentrate only on the planets' karakatwas (the ones made use of by nadi only) and the sign placements they are in, noting the juxtapositions of their various placements. The degree of favourability of planet in a sign, we will follow Parasara standard, noting any difference if Nadi standard is used.

Saturn sits with ketu. Both are 12th from Jupiter. Jupiter, the planet of religion sits in Aquarius. His beliefs are unorthodox like his advocacy of Scientology which is the knowledge of knowledge, so any counselling emanating from Scientology must be scientific, logical and use external symbols. Psychiatry where one analyse the inner world of the patient is not seen in a favourable light by Scientology (Saturn is democratic in its own sign. Here ketu which stands for psychiatry follows the dictates of Saturn in its own sign. Saturn also disposits an exalted Jupiter in the sign of knowledge.

Saturn in nadi deals with career. Jupiter with life. Contacts between them via Nadi aspects or dispositorships is mandatory for a person to do well in life. Tom is generally successful in his career. Saturn has Jupiter 2nd from it (a Nadi aspect, and all aspects subsequntly mentioned in this analysis) and it also disposits Jupiter.

7th aspect of Moon, Venus and Rahu impinges on Saturn. Moon and Rahy are spoilers in nadi, and are enemies to Venus (for Rahu, this is based on nadi definition). Moon is moreover also enemy to Saturn. Only Venus is friendly to Saturn. The start of his career was phenomenal but his stardom did not go quite over the edge until he made Top Gun.

When Saturn progresses to Jupiter's position it contacted the Sun via the trine. He became very famous but also infamy dogged him withe various homosexual allegations which were subsequently cleared as well as being involved in various litigation suits.

His fame continue to skyrocket and the turmoil surrounding his personal life did not dampen his meteoric rise to a cult legend hero. This is explained by the Sun. The Sin in nadi represents fame and fortune in career. Jupiter trines it, his friend, 12th from it sits Mercury and Mars, both his friends (in nadi both Sun and Mercury are friendly to each other, both ways) but both of them at loggerheads, they being enemies, shows he has to carry a lot of baggage with him along the way from the past as well as ones that are newly picked up.

Moon, Venus and Rahu is 2nd from the Sun. Moon in its own sign is strongest and is friendly to the Sun. Rahu is in Cancer cannot do much damage because it is subdued (this is from Lal Kitab). Venus and Moon are water planets, so here Moon being master, Venus does listen to it to a certain extent. Although Tom has multiple marriages (weak Venus), his wives do mother him and do leave him a legacy (Mimi, his first wife, introduced him to Scientology). He is deemed to be seen as a happily married man by the world at large.

To be continued .......

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Although his promise of experiencing the taste of a happily married life by the celestial heavens is checkered (see the mess of his Moon and Venus they are in as explained earlier), when Jupiter progresses to Pisces, it contacted the Moon and Venus. He won female admiration and fans as he grew up. Jupiter in Aires progressing from Pisces imbue him with some masochism but with a great sensitivity about him (a ladies' man). When Jupiter progresses to Taurus, Mercury and Mars is 2nd from it and Sun is 3rd from it (both nadi aspects), whatever he does shows boosted his masculinity image. He was also shown as a smooth and fast talker (Mercury and Mars) like in Jerry MacGuire. Saturn and Ketu 10th from Jupiter's progressed position in Taurus (a nadi aspect resarched by nadi astrologers) still shows his feelings of insecurity as can be shown how he undertakes his fatherly role towards his daughter - he lost touch with her quite a while.

Moon and Venus on the Rahu-Ketu axis with Saturn opposite it shows he is also destined to have relationships with older women like Rebecca de Monay, Patti Scialfa and Cher, the last being quite an unorthodox personality figure shown by the nodes. All three women have been married one time or another and are respectable, even Cher (shown by Saturn dispositing an exalted Jupiter).

When Moon and Venus progressed to the 7th of Jupiter, marriage occured and to singles ie. more orthodox marriage mates. With them progressing to the side of Rahu Ketu axis where no planets are situated, it shows that one of his wives is foreign born, Nicole Kidman.
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