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Murder

Post by jana2 » 29 Dec 2018

This subject is quiet morbid, but i wondered if there are indications of being a murder victim in a natal chart. If there are, which ones do you know?

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Re: Murder

Post by astrolover2017 » 15 Jan 2019

When 8th house is very afflicted and lord is strong accidents, rapes, murders can happen
A lot of problems will go away if we have good thoughts, deeds, actions and help humanity. We are here on earth to enjoy and suffer for our past life karma. Each one has their own life path. Live and Let Live.

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Re: Murder

Post by joyd » 16 Jan 2019

only 8th house/affliction is wrong notion.Any house/sign any planet including the most benefits can give murderous tendencies.8th house is just house of obsessions.Its Role depends on the other house/sign/planets combinations.

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Re: Murder

Post by Shunyam9 » 16 Jan 2019

Interesting topic this is. I have Venus rahu in 8th house in libra , I do have some tendencies but I rationalize against it with consequences I would face.
Like to know more on this.

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Re: Murder

Post by astrolover2017 » 16 Jan 2019

8th house typically deals with violence and any connection with 8th lord, 8th house, 8th lord owned nakshatra will make other planets to cause these brutality too. 12th lord is also same, since its loss, separation, jail, hospital etc any combination with it can be dreadful.

unless a benefic aspect is present its hard for the person
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Re: Murder

Post by joyd » 16 Jan 2019

6th house / 6th lord are more violent when compared with 8th &12th H/L.12 th is the least malefic house and the 8th is Average.The most activating factor is 6thH/L only.sometimes the 12thH/L showers grace too.so the 12th is least considerd sign.house/lord..

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Re: Murder

Post by Shunyam9 » 16 Jan 2019

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6th house / 6th lord are more violent when compared with 8th &12th H/L.12 th is the least malefic house and the 8th is Average.The most activating factor is 6thH/L only.sometimes the 12thH/L showers grace too.so the 12th is least considerd sign.house/lord..

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So if a malefic planet is sitting in it's own house in the 6 the house would show agressive tendencies? I thought a malefic planet in it's weak house in 6th house will show such tendencies.

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Re: Murder

Post by joyd » 16 Jan 2019

@shu-yes you are partially right.we should not ignore the other factors like aspects/conjunctions/sign and house placements.certain houses and signs gives more effect than others.It means the degree of violence,vengeance varies accordingly.To murder or to be murdered is high degree violent act.6 main factors involved in any kind of murders.THey are 2nd house of kama[lust either physical or mental kind],3rd house of krodha[anger or unmada],6th house of greed[lobha],8th house of moha[obsession and sexual kind],11th house of jealous[matsarya],12 house of intoxication[madha].we call them as shat-shatrus[6-enemies].

If 6th h/l and malefics in them aspects or conjucts in 2nd without any benific aspects, themurder is bcz of Lust.If Mars or Rahu involved in such aspects or in conjunction, the degree of violence is peak & brutal.you have to understand the things in this deeper way and not sticking to only 8th house/lord/afflictions..A 360 degree angle of study give us a better perspective and clear view about the discussed point..our duty as astrologer is to unfold each layer of the onion with probic view.

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Re: Murder

Post by Shunyam9 » 17 Jan 2019

@joyd I see. That's very interesting. What about serial killers ? Can it they identified?

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Re: Murder

Post by Aum » 17 Jan 2019

How would you differentiate between a Victim and a Perpetrator??

Both will have relevant Signs in the chart..

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Re: Murder

Post by joyd » 17 Jan 2019

@Aum-good but wait till the basic level understandings are cleared first and then we will enter in to depth of this topic..

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Re: Murder

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 19 Jan 2019

My observation is that Cancer, Leo, Gemini, Sagittarius, Pisces and Virgo ascendants have slightly more control of their shat-shatrus because the Ascendant Lord is not ruling another house that covers these 6 enemies.

Sun and Moon also tend to be more evolved than the other 5 planets, in addition.

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Re: Murder

Post by joyd » 19 Jan 2019

oh KHL sorry to say that your understanding on your mentioned signs and luminaires.Are you aware of this fact that luminaries can act as either 7th lord or 12th lord depending on the other factors in the charts? so how can you say that they are more evolved?For your better study and understanding read all these 4 research articles published by ARJ .
@shu and Aum ,you also must read them and then we continue our discussion on it..

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http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org ... /index.htm
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org ... /index.htm
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org ... /index.htm
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org ... /index.htm

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Re: Murder

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 20 Jan 2019

Sun and Moon can be functional malefics, but they are not considered when constructing the D30 as they do not have the inherent weaknesses that D30 talks about.

The do not participate in planetary war too.

They also overshadow any Mahapurusha Yoga if they happen to conjunct the planet causing the yoga.

In that sense, they are more evolved than the other planets.

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Re: Murder

Post by joyd » 21 Jan 2019

see and compare the luminaries role in murder/murderers based on your given evolved planet justification points.[see the table in part -1 of the given link article] and then come with your views on it..

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