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Nazhigai to time

Post by archer » 16 Jun 2013

my birth horoscope was written in old tamil nazhigai method. can anybody help me to convert nazhigai to time?

chathurthi thithi nazhigai 10.00 vinadi 27
pooradam nakshtram nazhigai 24.00 vinadi 30
soolam yogam nazhigai 14.00 vinadi
karanam nazhigai 10.00 vinadi 25
sooriya udhaya nazhigai 3.00 vinadi 35

DOB : 22-11-1971, chennai



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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by Shrikanth » 17 Jun 2013

Dear Archer,

The most relevant aspect of this conversion is the Sooriya Udhayadhi Nazhigai.
This is the birth time past Sun Rise - in nazhigai.

I believe there are 2.5 nazhigai is One hour or conversely 1 nazhigai is 24 mins.
So the time of birth is 72 + 14 mins = 86 mins past Sunrise.

According to JHORA the sunrise time is 06:13:39 - so your birth time should be around 7:44:39am.

Hope this helps
Shrikanth

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by archer » 05 Jul 2013

Thank you Shrikanth for your reply. but the time is not correct. somewhere i read, i should add 18 1/2 nazhigai plus sooriya udhaya nazhigai . Do you have any idea about 18.5 nazhigai? here i copied message from other board for ref.

From the data it is seen that the horoscope is written in
Tamizh. Usually birth time is given as Udhayahi nazhigzi. I think the
time Udhayathi nazhigai 46 N--15 Vi ( if birth time ) then by adding
18 1/2 to sun rise on that day you get the birth time.Assuming 6.-00
am as sun rise your birth time should be after midnight 00-30 Am .

In timizh we write the time elapsed as "cellu poka" you must have
written this in english as cell---

Then your cell--3N --44V means so much time has passed at the time.
But to which it refers Time elapsed on the day. or gathis passed on
the duration of star for the day.There is some thing missing in your
message

With the above explanation please read the horoscope text again You
may understand

if still in doudt please give full transliterated version of the
text of the horoscope. Then it will be easy to clarify.

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by archer » 20 Jul 2013

Hi Shrikanth,

Can you help me to convert nazhigai to time please? i attached horoscope.
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a48 ... bc1b5d.jpg

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by Shrikanth » 22 Jul 2013

Dear archer,

The palm leaf scripture is not very readable and also the tamil seems very ancient - so not very easy to comprehend.

For now I'll assume the Udhayadhi Nazhigai is 46 N 15 ViN. So the time elapsed is around 18.5 hours.
(46.15/2.5)
If sunrise is 06:13:39; then birth time should be next day 00:13:39am of 23-11-1971 civil day.

btw where did you get this 46N 15Vi from - it does not figure in the list in the first post.

Do you have the original chart cast - we can triangulate and find out the time alternatively.

Shrikanth

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by archer » 22 Jul 2013

Thank you Shrikanth,

for your reply, from plam leaf i can read pagal maney 3635, then surya udhayadhi nazhigai 3 vindai 37,

THis Udhayadhi Nazhigai is 46 N 15 ViN. i found from indiadivine.org

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by Shrikanth » 23 Jul 2013

Dear archer,

I find this thread very interesting and quite challenging as well.
So willing to work here.

First off -
THis Udhayadhi Nazhigai is 46 N 15 ViN. i found from indiadivine.org
again I'd like to know how this relates to your chart on the palm leaf. Need more specifics on this.

Also if you have your Rasi chart with longitudes or Navamsa chart - I bet I can get the time out of it.

I'm of the opinion that this
sooriya udhaya nazhigai 3.00 vinadi 35
Is indicating the position of Sun past sunrise.

This can be an important clue in this puzzle.

Need more specifics before we can move forward here.

Shrikanth

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by Shrikanth » 23 Jul 2013

Dear archer,

In my quest to crack this puzzle - I used the following info and it works great.
chathurthi thithi nazhigai 10.00 vinadi 27
pooradam nakshtram nazhigai 24.00 vinadi 30
This tithi and nakshatra nazhigai is basically the remaining part of these entities (out of a maximum of 60)

Meaning at sunrise 24 Na 30 Vi of Pooradam is remaining - so 35 Na 30 Vi has elapsed.
Sunrise for Nov 22 is around 6:14a.
So the Pooradam nakshatra started at 35.5/2.5 = 14 hrs 12 minutes before sunrise on Nov 22.

Now if you subtract 14hrs 12 mins from Sunrise time - you reach a time around 4:02pm Nov 21.
If you are using JHORA - it clearly indicates 99.40% of Pooradam left - indicating it just started.

So we now understand these usages and conventions here.

So we can do the same for Tithi/Yoga/Karana etc.,

I believe that the Soorya Udhaydhi Nazhigai is forward looking (post sunrise)
3 Na 35 Vi (86 mins past sunrise) will be your birth time
So your birth time is around 7:39:27a on Nov 22 with Scorpio Ascendant.

Regards
Shrikanth

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by archer » 23 Jul 2013

Thank you Shrikanth,

my birth chart was written based on Vakya panchangam.

D1 chart

Lagnam - pisces
saturn( retro) - third house ( taurus)
ketu- Fifth house (cancer)
Sun,mercury, Jupiter & venus - Nineth house ( scorpio)
Moon - Tenth house ( sagittarius)
Rahu - Eleventh house ( capricorn)
Mars - Twelth house ( Aquarius)

D9 Navamsa
Jupiter & mercury in Capricon navamsa in Lagna
Venus & saturn in Aquaius navamsa
Mars in pisces navamsa
Rahu in taurus navamsa
Sun in Leo navamsa
Moon & ketu in scorpio navamsa.

I am sure , my lagna is pisces,
22-11-1971, chennai.
unless you have vakya horoscope software, you can't find exact time.

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by archer » 25 Jul 2013

Hi Shrikhanth,

I found my correct birth time, it is 3.35 pm, was written in horoscope, based on vakyam, lagna is pisces,
according to Jhora, lagna is Aries. which one will be correct?

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Re: Nazhigai to time

Post by Shrikanth » 29 Jul 2013

Dear archer,

I don't think the lagna longitude (and so the lagna itself) would not be different based on Vakyam or Drik etc.,
The lagna is Aries 3 Ar 09 and would be Pisces if the time is set earlier by approx 11 mins. (3:24p)

How sure are you of the 3:35pm recorded time.

Shrikanth

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