Curse on all born in a certain time period?

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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by radiance » 15 Mar 2018

SAV does work actually. See KRS(KapielRaj) videos on youtube on ashtakavarga. Good explanattion on why the way we see 11th from lagna is not correct.We have to check 11th from AL, 11th from biggest benefic Jupiter and also 11th from the MD one is under. With this method, bill gates, Big B charts greatness can be seen. Even then the values can be different at times for some. Because the SAV values are not a promise. They are just additional support for the dhana yoga etc. already in the chart. There are 3-4 videos of 1 hour duration each around this topic and I have seen only the first one as of now.



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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by Suresh_Chauhan » 15 Mar 2018

You are missing the point completely. The reason why it doesn't work is that its all based on theories of some modern astros, not on ancient texts. None of these modern calculations were tested on millions or even thousands of charts. hence they cannot produce data to support or negate any work.

Same is true of astrology in general, each chart is unique not because of signs, symbols, placements, etc. but because the INDIVIDUAL representing the chart is unique in every way. And what worked for someone may not work for someone else. Always study the native and his circumstances, not just the chart.

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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by Vivek Surya » 15 Mar 2018

Suresh_Chauhan wrote:
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Same is true of astrology in general, each chart is unique not because of signs, symbols, placements, etc. but because the INDIVIDUAL representing the chart is unique in every way. And what worked for someone may not work for someone else. Always study the native and his circumstances, not just the chart.
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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by Suresh_Chauhan » 16 Mar 2018

It means you must first look at native's condition, then analyze the chart suitably. COnsider desh, kaal and patra before pronouncing results. For e.g. if native lives in Norway or Iceland, sun is always weak even in their summer months, doesn't mean natives will have diseases or have less ego etc. etc. If native is from today's Kenya, Syria or yemen, no matter how good yogas JHORA is showing, ignore it. Nothing at all will fructify in the native's life because of prevailing conditions where he lives.

If native is from poor family and chart says multiple dhan and raja yogas, what do you think will happen?? It only means that native has "above average chances" of doing well in life, with luck favouring him. Does not mean that all obstacles will be removed and all of a sudden in few short years, native will be a king or a prime minister or head of a company. His odds will be better but because of his circumstances , struggle and sacrifices will be high. If that same native, came from a rich or even a middle clase family, then the path is somewhat less difficult.

It is quite simple, but in our internet age we try to bypass reality and go straight to results. Similarly, I can show you 20 people born in same area as Bill Gates, around same time/date as him... why they are not all billionaires? You answer that. If you show Bil Gates chart to 20 astros, without telling them whose chart it is, you will get 20 different explanations for ALL the bad things that will go wrong for the native. You see, astrologers are pessimists by nature, and like to dish out dismay. Chances are less that even 1 out of 20, will decode it correctly. That is the keyword - decoding it correctly, because it is human interpretation and thus always subjective, coloured by biases and assumptions of the astrologer as well.

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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by joyd » 16 Mar 2018

radi- my reply on your questions was already posted so wait till was published by them.

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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by radiance » 16 Mar 2018

Totally agree Suresh. All important questions raised which puzzle all of us and add to the debate around this mystic subject. I am didiving this post into two sections -the puzzling bits and those in favour.

THE CONFUSION -
- At the core of astrology is time, which never stops and is always moving. Nobody escapes time not even the gods. The planets move along with time - some fast, some slow. In the beginning of doordarshan's Mahabharat time(kaal) always used to observe things silently- be it some evil the Kaurav's are doing, Krishna's deceptions or anything else. It's only job was to keep moving nothing else.
Now, we always do birth time rectification, changes of a few minutes affecting horoscope etc. D-60(Shashtyamsha) lagna changes every minute so exact time has to be known.
Well when was the first clock(note first clock, not the first accurate clock) developed. Google tells me around 14th century in Europe. What did the Indians possibly do during or before this time to keep track of time? Look at the sun, sundials, hourglass etc perhaps? Astrology was developed many centuries earlier before this? So the big question is HOW DID THEY KNOW & KEEP TRACK ABOUT THE EXACT TIME?? Here I am assuming that somehow the fathers of astrology managed to factor in the 8 minutes it takes for sunlight to reach earth. But even then, for something like the D-60 to be made, how would they know about the accurate birth time upto the minute or seconds. Someone enlighten me please.
This doesn't end here. In Europe and U.S, they have the concept of daylight saving to get more daylight working hours, where clocks are advanced 1 hour every year and then back. Does this make sense in terms of astrology? Going back to the kaal in Mahabharat, time is the one changes/evolves a man and here man is changing time itself to suit his/her needs. Doesn't this screw all rules up? What is the true time then? Before daylight saving, after that or something else altogether?
Navamsha lagna is changed to suit the gender of the child. male/female rashis. Even if we have the exact birth time, still the time is changed to suit the rule. In some thread of this forum I read that all astrologers are aware of this necessary manipulation. Isn't this questionable as well?

- Not to put anyone down but if you tell me few of your life events and give hitler's or swami vivekananda's horoscope as yours without me realising, then am sure will somehow manage to tell how the events are reflected exactly in the horoscope. Other's do not have to agree with me. It is my own belief and conviction and I could also say that whenever X transits over Y or Mars is in house so and so, in hundreds of horoscopes I have seen this to happen. Sometimes the most learned astrologers can differ with each other as well. So no consistency here.

I would say asking for events from personal life is not recommended because it gives hints to the life curve followed(desh, kaal as you mentioned) and there is a tendency to get biased.It becomes very easy to justify then since the past is already known. Past reality can then be used to foretell the future probability.

IN SUPPORT -
It is not that I am only full of questions. One astrologer I visited back in my village did not even want me to talk about anything when I visited him first.. he saw my chart, started scribbling away in a piece of paper silently and gave it to me to read after 10 minutes..as simple as that. And whatever he wrote blew my mind. Although in my second visit when I asked about ashtakavarga, I realized he too made the mistake of seeing the 11th points from lagna:)

- At times I feel it is not just the individual horoscope that needs to be checked but of family members as well. For example, I had heard of a point(not sure if it a rule anywhere) that if anyone is born in Krishna Paksha of Purvashada nakshatra then it can be deadly for his mothers brother(mama). I don't know of the specifics here but if this were to be taken into account, no matter how strongly planets are in his mama's horoscope is, wouldn't there be something to alter the results at times? Sometimes in not so trustworthy websites we see rules such as elder brother would be lucky, father would be placed in high position, mother's health would be affected. So it can be interrelated and affecting positively or negatively the relatives chart. Keep in mind that already reading a chart is difficult, to add to the complexity family charts are coming in.

- To some extent the above can be explained by the dictum that the soul chooses the body to be born in and chooses its father, mother, brother, sister etc to help it fulfill its karma through appropriate lessons and experiences, get another opportunity to burn past sins and to help move towards moksha.

- Much of the historical texts and learning around this subject are lost forever. Ravana was considered to be the ultimate master of astrology. His Ravana samhita could have had several answers to these questions of ours but it is nowhere to be seen in original form. Similarly jaimini sutras I hear are not a complete list compared to BPHS. So we don't have all the bricks to make a house here. When it rains, we can still get wet(just an analogy):).

-People born on the same time as Bill gates or others.. true difficult to explain but what if someone in his family had an alignment which could have helped him as stated before. There could be blessings(purva punya) and curses coming in from different places as well which might affect a chart and differentiate results of two exactly same horoscopes.
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Re: Curse on all born in a certain time period?

Post by radiance » 16 Mar 2018

How else can one explain first generation billionaire businessmen(those who made billions on their own when their own parents were average). Dhirubai Ambani, Yusuf Ali (Lulu malls owner), Narendra Modi(politics) all are a small set of interesting cases. If the native doesn't live long enough to experience the purva punya results, then it is carried forward to next birth. Nothing ever gets lost. As I heard from someone the concept of Shishta Dasha/Dasha balance at birth is itself a carry forward from previous births.

PNC Menon, founder chairman of Shobha builders is a first generation billionaire businessman. In an interview for CNBC(available in youtube), he says his astrologer told him his luck will rise after marriage. A firm believer in astrology he says how else can one explain someone from humble beginnings becoming a billionaire. A believer in god, he did his own thulabharam in gold and donated 70 gold biscuits of 1 kg each to Guruvayur Krishna temple few years back when his vow came true. Blind follower or true believer - upto us to decide.

In the end belief in the supreme creator and confidence in yourself can help ease our burden and defeat any bad planetary position. Do good. Think good. Be good. That's all there is to it. Else it may feel as if all the planets are stationary and the individual is transiting over them(going in circles) instead of the other way round.

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