Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Lex » Mon May 26, 2014 7:46 am

Astroduffer sir

I agree authentic TOB POB DOB essential, otherwise issues of Lagna like Vrischika or Virgo or Libra or Saggi will have glitch during analysis with Parashara techniques. Numerous texts will be quoted through journals. In medical journals it will be vitro vivo and numerous live in and post marketing trials are done to establish diseases and clinical treatment protocols. If treatment is harmful to human beings medicines are with drawn.
Whereas, astro journals do not have that kind of practice.
In Kaliyug Lord Shiva's curse is no two astrologers will agree to one's predictions but in medicine doctors will support each other.

I guess you had sent a P.M, unfortunately I dont intend to subscribe PM. You may send me a email.



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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:48 pm

Sonu ji,

Haha the Lomasa Samhita twins ..even though that chart has a couple of errors but like you said we don't even need a regular chart to analyze. Just give us any D "chart", say it is Rashi & watch the show. And as if by magic there are 4 Kejriwals, 3 Modis whose charts are proven to be theirs. God knows who these charts belong to that Astrologers have made PM, CM, GM, XM, planet-M?

Our Anuradha ji is quoting Rao ji's opinion calling it primitive to use Divisions not as charts but as usual everything for Modi has been boiled down to the usual lord-of-this-in-that (with a yoga injected), which is advanced++ & hence has nothing primitive about it esp. with its extension to Vargas ;-)
On the journal of Astrology Rahul Gandhi now has Kemdrum going against him even though he is born on a full moon with planets in Kendra to it. More details:

http://www.vedicforum.com/articles-and- ... f-jyotish/

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Lex » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:14 am

rathore ji

I still fail to understand Kemadruma dosha and a full moon. Whats the link.

As I said earlier in my posts through Nadi analysis, posts were

1. Narendra Modi and tea stall.. refer career section
2. Indian Election... refer Planets section
3. Amitabh Bachan... celebrity horoscope

Like you had said, I dont read any astro books or journals, kind of money spinning, astro has to be learnt under a Guru supervision, if so called teacher making wilfully mistakes in casting Chart and lagna under legitimate dispute, a type ofreverse. sweep against MCC coaching cricket what will a student do?

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:22 am

Lex ji,

Moon is strong when full & just by that virtue benefics get extra strength. Moreover there are planets in Kendra. So blaming Rahul Gandhi's Moon for being weak or Kemdrum just doesn't sound right. Had he won then the same Moon would have been appreciated while Modi's Moon blamed. KN Rao is blessed, but fanboys are emotional (and not rational) Hence for fanboys he is always right with his Astrological insight.

Like you said there is a lot of garbage coming out of so called Gurus (esp. on Internet) & this has a direct impact on an uninitiated seeker. Which is why there are several examples (on this forum too) where wrong birth charts were retrofitted to the events the poster describes. Magic? Plain XXX of the subject.

Watch this, for twins & people born at the same time. Can't vouch for its authenticity however these are known cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8gXDOpTff8

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Lex » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:20 pm

Rathore ji

I was puzzled when you stated Full moon and Kemadrma dosha. If I put it refined manner, how Full Moon contributed Kemadruma dosha.

ooh you quoted the above from a journal. No wonder. Certain things likw couple' bedroom secrers should be privy to them only, similarly these Chandra position in a celebrity should be privy to reading fanclub of that journal.

Say, New English journal of medicine or Journal of American physician, these are standard medical journals a student of medicine will eager to go through for updates and not from fanclub's

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Gautam_59 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:47 am

To Rathore Sir:
Rathore Sir I have little confusion, that if Lagna chart (i.e. planets in Lagna Chart) are promising results prominently(Very Good tesults), but the same planets are in immical signs in vargas, so will the vargas corroborate the final outcome of Rashi Chart. And if yes then upto which extent. For example Mars in Leo 5th house (Rasi Chart) in Gemini Navamsa, in Aquarius in D3, in Libra in D5, in Cancer in D10 and so on. And as we can see that Mars is in Good Dignity i.e. in Good sign/house in Rasi chart but in Divisions it is either debilated or in enemy signs. So what will be the ultimate results or Dignity or Intent i.e. Very Good or Good or Average or Below Average? How much a planet can deliver if its very well placed in Rasi chart(i.e. in Intimate Friends signs) but not in Vargas (i.e. in Enemy or sworn enemy signs)? How will be its Dasha or Antardasha? What will be the ultimate dignity/intent of this planet? And How much say does Lagna chart alone have in determining the dignity/intent of Planet(s)?
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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:09 am

Mars is a particular case because Mars is strong even in inimical signs.

He is also strong during its southernly course, in its own drekkana, in any first drekkana, on its day, during night etc. In the case you mention its in the first drekkana (which is Leo, not Aquarius for Parashari) and that gives it additional strength per one of the above rules. More strength because its in its southernly course. Keeping the above factors in mind it can be said to possess strength on its own. This is more so because its strong even in inimical places. Friendships should be used per Rashi chart relative placements only.

If involved in some major yog/dosh it is capable of delivering results of the full yog/dosh provided other planets are not stronger or are not in tenth house or are not mutual karakas. If not involved in any major yog/dosh then expect lordship, placement ..basically generic results unless blocked by factors such as Argala etc. The Lagna chart placements are assigned 6 points in Vimsopaka Bala for Shadvarg, so that can help you find the overall quantification of its intent.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Gautam_59 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:00 am

Thanks Rathore Sir for your reply, as your views matters me a lot as u have such great knowledge of Classics. Rathore Sir I wiil be highly obiliged if u can just take a look at my chart:
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Rathore Sir in my view, mine chart is good, but your views can be a turner for me. So can u please highlight the strength and weakness of my Overall Chart. As it will be greatly helpful for me. ThankYou.

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Post by Gautam_59 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:45 am

Thanks

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Post by Gautam_59 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:01 pm

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:34 pm

I don't want to turn this into a read my chart thread so in short planets are well placed, giving you an aggressive temperament / speech. You may gotten into some entangled/weird emotions which should be kept in check. The chart as Maha-bhagya yog which making the person fortunate in general.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Gautam59 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:21 pm

To Rathore Sir:
Sir I want to know about the significance of Pushkar Navansama. Does it really hold much significance. If yes than how much? What happens if a planet falls in Pushkar Navasma in 8th house say Jupiter in 8th house in Virgo Navasma in Scorpio Sign? I have also heard that if a planet in Pushkar Navasma but at the same time if it is in 6th or 8th or 12th house I.e. Dusthana House it is not capable of delivering results of Pushkar Navasma I.e. there results are diluted to a very certain extent. Is it true??

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:46 am

Gautam ji,

By itself it doesn't hold much significance. Pushkar, Vargottam, Exaltation etc. increase the results generally. For e.g. a deeply exalted planet is said to increase the result by three times. Pushkar is probably considered similar to Vargottam, I don't remember the quantification though. Pushkar Bhaag is more important.

Exalted planets do well in dushtanas, especially benefics. So I assume Pushkar planets should do well. Still better to have them in Kendra, konas unless involved in yogas that needs them to be in dushtanas.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by Gautam59 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:02 am

Understood Sir, but I have one more Question that which placement matters more Lagna or Navamsa. For Example if Planet (X) is in intimate Friends sign or in its own mooltrikona whereas the same planet (X) is in its sworn enemy or enemy Navasma in Lagna Chart. So what kind of results one should expect from such planets? Good or Average or Bad?

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Post by anuradha » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:37 am

To [email protected] Today at 16:43
Sir, I am a student of astrology from last two decades . I wish to know whether you take aspect of planets in varga charts ? Kindly guide. I have seen the refrence of aspect in Mansagari and Sarawali. May be I am wrong in my understanding. Regards
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Of course yes I do. Those who say it does not apply are wrong.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:16 am

Gautam ji,

Navamsa depositor is more important but really it comes down to which depositor has more strength.

Anuradha ji,

I will let you in a little secret. Not only PVR but many other are just doing calculated guesswork and thinking they have actually done some real Astro reading. That's where cases like Trump will lose (calculated guessing) and predicting Tendulkar from the completely wrong birth chart (and now Shahrukh khan) comes from.

Why don't you write to PVR about how Saturn can be retrograde while being 7th from Sun in Navamsa? PVR uses a lot of make believe concepts so be careful using him as a reference. Let's not turn this into a PVR thing because I will walk over every deviation he has made from actual texts here in public. Just apply your own intelligence if you want to discuss.

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Post by rathore » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:18 am

Correction (before a silly question is asked out of ignorance to PVR): Why don't you write to PVR about how Saturn can be direct* while being 7th from Sun in Navamsa?

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Post by GNE » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:14 am

"Commentators only knows the rules of the game and players know the rules and has the acumen ,how to apply those rules of the game. "

true....
though this could apply to others on the forum too, who post many things and talk like what they say is unarguably correct...but yet they don't do chart reading/predictions for members to "prove themselves" either.

I'm not saying its needed, but just that if one says people are rubbish unless they prove they can predict correctly and put their knowledge to the test, then many many other members posts all suddenly go under fire also *cough * Khoo *cough


I just had enough of people saying something is correct because some astrologer says so - when then we can find another equally great astrologer who says otherwise. Ex: PVR uses PP ayanamsa, but KNR says no.
KNR uses no exception in arudha, while Sanjay Rath says we must use exceptions. etc...
it becomes a "my guru vs. your guru" battle and all reader/learners like myself just leave confused..

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by ChandraLagna » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:48 pm

Dear members,

Please stick to discussion at hand - there is not much to be achieved by saying astrologer-X said something, astrologer-Y said something, prove your credentials here by writing predictions etc, or how can such a great astrologer-Z be wrong.

If every poster had to be backed up by successful predictions first, then we can never have a new member write on any subject in this section till he proved himself with a few predictions.

I have deleted a few posts of such personalized references because they were a complete deviation from the topic and were not really in the nature of a cogent argument. Discuss topics, not people. If you do have to drag people in, use them for references of what they say, not what they are.
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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by anuradha » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:34 pm

Anuradha ji,

I will let you in a little secret. Not only PVR but many other are just doing calculated guesswork and thinking they have actually done some real Astro reading. That's where cases like Trump will lose (calculated guessing) and predicting Tendulkar from the completely wrong birth chart (and now Shahrukh khan) comes from.

Why don't you write to PVR about how Saturn can be retrograde while being 7th from Sun in Navamsa? PVR uses a lot of make believe concepts so be careful using him as a reference. Let's not turn this into a PVR thing because I will walk over every deviation he has made from actual texts here in public. Just apply your own intelligence if you want to discuss.
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Thank you DeepRelax ji - I confirmed with PVR ji today and he too said its an "AND". That means many BPHS versions are carrying the wrong translation and the translation provided by you is correct (Confirmed by two Sanskrit scholars).

Hari766 ji - I couldn't find the BPHS Sanskrit original on the site you mentioned if you could add the link, it will be great.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by rathore » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:38 pm

Anuradha ji,

PVR, KNR, BVR, SR can be right on somethings and wrong on others. It's not black and white so let's just discuss textual reference and your own interpretation of it i.e. if you have anything new to add. Much of it was already discussed on this thread so most people with a passion to dive in and contemplate will arrive at the correct conclusion.

Those who have gone too far down the Varga 'chart' approach will obviously have a hard time but being true to oneself is a virtue.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

Post by anuradha » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:37 pm

When it suits you you give the reference of PVR and now i quoted the same PVR you are not accepting it strange ... . Textual reference of three different translations of Mansagari is already given ,all saying the same thing. But you try to distort the fact by saying its the opinion. In your reference you have not posted the first page of the book , author and publisher . If you want I can post that again. Instead being custodial of classical text one should should help the needy people by reading the chart correctly . Only then one will really understand how the different concepts of astrology works.
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Post by anuradha » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:16 am

Here are the proofs from two different translation of Mansagari
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Post by anuradha » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:17 am

One more attachment. Here I make an appeal to every member of the forum to read this reference from two different translation of Mansagri to understand the reality.
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Post by rathore » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:49 am

Ok for people who have a hard time comprehending this let's state it outright: Yes it is possible that a person can be right on somethings AND and wrong on others, at the same time. So KNR is right on Chitra Paksha, wrong on Vargas. Just like you accept aspects in Vargas from PVR but reject Pushya Paksha. So I too can also say when it suits you quote PVR (aspects) and when not (PP) then you don't. So move on and please have a real conversation if you can.

That's why I said - "Let's not turn this into a PVR thing because I will walk over every deviation he has made from actual texts here in public" .... Note I said "every deviation" and NOT "Everything". Hope it makes sense.

And keep in mind simple 'Language' interpretation isn't going to raise questions on its meaning per se. So asking PVR about a 'translation' is very different from asking him about an 'Astrological concept'. But you can clarify from him about planets in direct motion in 7th from Sun in Navamsa "concept".

I don't have the rights to view the attachments but its safe to assume you are repeating yourself. So please don't post things which have already been discussed. Anyone who is passionate enough can go back to previous pages and see the discussion on these slokes themselves. Those who are followers for life, and therefore will most likely not want to apply their own brains, or just don't have enough brains, or just don't care about the topic or are living in ignorance will obviously wither away.

But for those would dive in here is the spirit: Scriptures say and I am paraphrasing (but anyone can quote me on it): Anything that is wrong should be rejected even if coming from the mouth of Brahma and whatever makes sense should be accepted even if coming from a child.

So if aspects are based on longitudes they can only happen in real positions and not derived positions, its that simple. Therefore readers who go back and read the pages on this thread should keep the Brahma verse in mind. Ask me any question then. Once you have a proper understanding you will automatically reject anything that talks about aspects in Navamsa.

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